Butch Jones???

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VolJarhead said:
That has more to do with defense than offense though. How about we look at the defense of Alabama since Pruitt left?
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I went toe to toe with someone on the FF about needing defense and was told I was out of touch with "today's game". ****ing D is where it's at.
 
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Sundeanvol said:
Were gonna Sue his a** once his contract is done. I'm surprised he didn't take a high school coordinator job to rub our face in it. I almost typed something about Butch Jones and prostate cancer but I deleted it. Still sticking to my 2019 resolution to be a better person.
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Only a few weeks until 2019 over with. You've almost made it. We can wait... lol
 
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stumps said:
Does Saban realize his offense has declined since hiring Jones? he cannot be helping, GA's can/do break down film. I'm surprised he's still with bama, frankly.
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The old saying, "You pay for what you get", sure comes to mind. I wonder how much input boy butch really has as BAMA, I suspect he spends a lot of time picking up wet towels in the locker room, and washing Saban's car.
 
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davethevol said:
Saban clearly has zero respect for him and only keeps him around to embarrass him and to tick off UT.
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This reminds me of how ancient Kings would conquer another kingdom then take it King captive, give him the ole hack a roo, then turn him into a eunich so they can parade him around at events and parties etc. This is Butch today.
 
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I understand people not wanting to see Tennessee set up for another huge buyout but on the flip side do you want to be put in a situation like we were earlier this year with Coach Barnes?
 
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I'd like to see a buy-out keyed to performance. SEC performance and ranking, if we are 5th or 6th in our own conference, low buy-out. If we are third, second or first-buy-out continues to get bigger. In short, if you have failed to help the team improve against the other SEC teams, your buy-out would be small, if on the other hand, you are getting the job done-you would deserve a buy-out reflecting the quality of your work.
 
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Eventually, this will have shift the other way. Too many coaches being paid too much failure money will run its course. Results will be required first with the exception of a few. But when programs across the country collectively say “enough” of paying failure money time and time again, the market will again move toward equilibrium. Agents be damned.
 
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I40flyer said:
If you can't learn from your mistakes, you are an idiot. We at TN have not been able to learn from our mistakes, we must be honest. We had to pay Dooley $$$5,000,000.00 for his buy out. We didn't learn as we then hired boy butch and had to pay him(still paying) $$$8,100,000.00 for his buy out. Our AD isn't smart enough to negotiate a contract that pays (and pay big) for results, not so much for crap. They haven't been smart enough to realize how poorly they negotiate, for if they did, they would hire a professional negotiator. SABAN worked without any buy out at all when he went to BAMA, he felt if he couldn't do the job, BAMA should be able to fire him-that is a stand up guy. He has one [buy-out] now, but he has earned his contract and buy out, with results. Those that say we couldn't get a great coach without a huge buy-out clause, etc. are the ones that can't learn from previous mistakes, and can't learn from the history of other programs. Don't forget, there was a large number of boy butch fans, many on this very board! They would attack you, if you questioned boy butch's ability to HC UT, they aren't that upset that the object of their man-crush is still getting paid.
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I don’t at all disagree but Saban is the anomaly. ADs across the country started letting the coaches and their agents dictate terms and the buyouts have ballooned at an even faster rate than the salaries. Eventually they will wise up but who knows when. They think you have to play the game because if you don’t give the big buyout then the next school will. It’s time for someone to step up, get creative, and change the rules of engagement.
 
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Wireless1 said:
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“Did” Hamilton, Hart and Curry were soft touch business men that rolled over every time. I sense Fulmer is a different story based on recent departures
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You sure about that? Pruitt’s buyout is over $9,000,000. Fulmer thought that was a reasonable buyout for a coordinator who had never been a head coach and wasn’t being contacted by other teams
 
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08Vol said:
You sure about that? Pruitt’s buyout is over $9,000,000. Fulmer thought that was a reasonable buyout for a coordinator who had never been a head coach and wasn’t being contacted by other teams
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Right on! I find it hard to believe that Fulmer has that much spending authority, without the Admin giving their okay, but you are correct CJP's buy-out was ridiculous on day one, it could not and did not reflect his HC abilities here or anywhere, it was, at best, a hope that he'd be a good coach. After two years, I think it is still far to high. We have already heard rumblings that he should get a raise, and extension! Waiting until we see how our team is able to get the job done- next year- would be the smarter move. We've gotten better, but we are far from a powerhouse in the SEC, or even in the top 25. I don't think we've been in the top 25 all season. If next season, CJP is able to bring the team up from the depths-put us in the top 25, keep us there, post a few W's against SEC powerhouse teams (BAMA, LSU, FL, GA), and get us a high quality bowl game, I'll be on board, but as of now, it is far to early.
 
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08Vol said:
You sure about that? Pruitt’s buyout is over $9,000,000. Fulmer thought that was a reasonable buyout for a coordinator who had never been a head coach and wasn’t being contacted by other teams
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when you consider than Malzahn’s buyout is north of $25mm and Jimbo Fisher’s is $60mm+, I’d say yeah, $9mm for Pruitt is reasonable. Besides, the buyout is a function of the salary and length of contract. Pruitt, “a coordinator who’d never been a head coach” is also only the 8th highest paid coach in the conference....seems pretty fair and “reasonable” to me.
 
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The thing to remember it's that buyouts are usually reciprocal. There are two sides. If you don't want USC (Kiffin) or Bama (Pruitt) stealing your coach, the University needs a buyout to protect itself. We screwed that up with Kiffin. If you demand a high buyout to protect the University then the coach will demand a high buyout to protect himself.
 
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I never thought I’d think someone who was our HC was more worthless than Dooley, but Lyle makes him look halfway decent.
 
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37620VOL said:
The thing to remember it's that buyouts are usually reciprocal. There are two sides. If you don't want USC (Kiffin) or Bama (Pruitt) stealing your coach, the University needs a buyout to protect itself. We screwed that up with Kiffin. If you demand a high buyout to protect the University then the coach will demand a high buyout to protect himself.
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I used to assume it was a given that Pruitt (if he is successful) would one day leave to replace Saban. Now I’m not 100% convinced. Of course if Fulmer retires before Saban steps down it could change or maybe Pruitt is a good actor, but I’m beginning to get the feeling that he won’t just take off like Kiffin did the day they called him about his dream job. He seems to have bought in.
 
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It’s a play by those losers in Tuscaloosa to hit us in the wallets. So I wouldn't expect StrideRight to leave anytime soon.
 
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He might make a good manager for a WWF tag team...his slogans could be recycled
 
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perico said:
I never thought I’d think someone who was our HC was more worthless than Dooley, but Lyle makes him look halfway decent.
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Don't forget the year Drooley recruited zero offensive linemen. Only thing I will give Butch is our uniforms looked the best they ever looked under him.
 
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