Butch Jones... How much longer

[golf437]

Serious question. People will blast me as a negavol ect. But like it or not... Hes not going to return us to prominence. Hes a great recruiter but a terrible tactician. And he's just one of these guys that scared to death of life. Like the guy in the highway that slams on his brakes in the middle of an intersection when the light turns yellow. I've been in the fence about him but I'm not anymore. We've lost almost every winable game he's coached in while here. The two he won (sc) both took miraculous comebacks that never should have been required. We were firmly in control of both games in the second half before getting conservative and trying to run out the clock. Last night we saw an example of a great coach. They got the ball off a to late in the game while leading and put their foot on our throats and won.

So two questions...Who's next and how much longer before we can afford to part with Butch? Serious questions so please don't merge...

So silly.

 

[gunner]

UT must win 8 games next season or Butch will be on thee hot seat by season 4. He must win 8 and by seasson 9-10 wins every season.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

What the................! stop being so impulsive with your emotions, no one likes it when UT loses a game, but our OL got butt stomped, Mizz DL is the real deal, and that is it. They out played us on the line of scrimage. Don't make it out like we gave the game away, their defense out played our offense all day.

Go Vols.......take it out on Vandy

 

[chargervol]

Not catching up on the whole thread but Jones will get 4-5 years total, minimum.
(at least without seasons like 4-8).
He is not perfect but I hope he steps up.

I did notice a few "Pinkel is a better coach"....maybe, maybe not.
Those statements are grasping. Just google his record.
Apparently, by the way some judge, Pinkel is great coach for a while then he forgets how to coach and has terrible years.
Or maybe, how the guys you have that year perform, has a lot to do with records.

 

[MedicT]

Yeah. Let's shut down the board since no one's thoughts are criticisms are valid... including yours. On second thought... why don't you just quit coming here since no discussion seems worthy of having in your presence.

That said... You want to argue that what we saw Saturday was "playing smart"? In case you didn't notice... UT LOST. They lost while having MORE than sufficient talent to win. I guess you think it takes some sort of PHD in football to figure out that that wasn't the "smartest" thing they could have done.

Play calling became vanilla and predictable. They didn't stretch the field. They played O hoping against hope that Mizzou wouldn't find enough O to beat them.

That's many things... "smart" ain't one of them.

Perhaps I SHOULD apologize as it is becoming increasingly apparent that you lack any real understanding of how a football game is managed or what is required to win.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

UT must win 8 games next season or Butch will be on thee hot seat by season 4. He must win 8 and by seasson 9-10 wins every season.

:lolabove: please, you don't know what you are talking about.........youngest team in the SEC. By the way, the whole SEC will be better next year, most will be lucky to have 8 wins.

 

[theFallGuy]

The perceived level of acceptability prior to the season starting was 6 wins and a bowl game. Unless there is some epic failure on the team's part and we lose to Vandy, we will accomplish our goal therefore meet expectations of a successful season. Now whether or not some fans got overly optimistic because of the UGA is completely irrelevant. We should be a contender for the east next year IMO.

 

[volfanbill]

Most UT fans will likely be satisfied with a bowl trip every other year, and an occasional 8 or 9 win season

there is absolutely no reason why 8-9 win seasons shouldn't be considered the worst possible outcome for any season after the team is rebuilt. If fans really will accept a bowl trip every other year and that becomes the expectation for Tennessee, I guess I really do need to turn in my fan card. This is the dumbest thing I've ever read here, and I've been reading garbage posts for 8 years now.

 

[sjt18]

I havent seen butch lose a game yet where he had the best talent on the field.....I know some of you think Vandy last yr, but Franklin had 2 QBs that were better than a true freshman Dobbs was that night. He had the best RB (Seymour). JF had the best player on the field by far in Matthews and he had a better more athletic defense. Some of you will say Florida this yr but Florida's defense was superior by a wide margin to Tennessee and their OL was able to protect and get enough on a short field to win the game. Florida's defense will have more players in the NFL than Tennessee's entire sr and jr classes combined!

When Butch has the best team and he ****s his pants, then I might agree but so far he's in a knife fight with a switch....

First, sorry you think that but you are wrong. He had more talent vs Vandy last year. And in terms of pure athletic talent... he had more this past Saturday and it really isn't all that close. Mizzou is experienced with many of their players developed to near their full potential. That can be an equalizer... but they are NOT more talented.

Second, UT doesn't need a coach that only wins when he has more talent. UT needs a coach that wins games in spite of NOT having more talent. Of course, that assumes that you and I and others are in agreement about what the "goal" should be for the program. If you are satisfied with 8 or 9 win seasons and second tier status... then a coach that only wins when he has more talent is just fine. OTOH, if you want to see UT in the SEC's top tier competing for championships... then you need an overachieving coaching staff and especially the HC.

You can't tolerate the kind of game plans we saw last Saturday... or the kinds of foolish mistakes like challenging that on-side kick call. The off-side penalty was a phantom but Coleman clearly touched the second kick too early. With that timeout, UT gets at least 40 seconds to try for another TD. That call looked like desperation... and frankly like Jones had given up on winning anyway.

 

[sjt18]

there is absolutely no reason why 8-9 win seasons shouldn't be considered the worst possible outcome for any season after the team is rebuilt. If fans really will accept a bowl trip every other year and that becomes the expectation for Tennessee, I guess I really do need to turn in my fan card. This is the dumbest thing I've ever read here, and I've been reading garbage posts for 8 years now.

There are people here who would be just giddy over far less than competing for championships. Just take a step back and start viewing the excuse-making with a bit more critical eye.

 

[volfanbill]

There are people here who would be just giddy over far less than competing for championships. Just take a step back and start viewing the excuse-making with a bit more critical eye.

Those people need to start cheering for Vandy.

 

[sjt18]

Perhaps I SHOULD apologize as it is becoming increasingly apparent that you lack any real understanding of how a football game is managed or what is required to win.

No... you should just apologize for being that arrogant and condescending. I guess it is only you that has any "real understanding of how a football game is managed or what is required to win"... and since you give a hearty thumbs up to Saturday's coaching effort... the rest of us must just be ignorant for questioning Jones (but really YOU).

 

[sjt18]

Those people need to start cheering for Vandy.

Maybe suggest that to MedicT. He sees no problem with the the Mizzou game plan... everything's fine.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Serious question. People will blast me as a negavol ect. But like it or not... Hes not going to return us to prominence. Hes a great recruiter but a terrible tactician. And he's just one of these guys that scared to death of life. Like the guy in the highway that slams on his brakes in the middle of an intersection when the light turns yellow. I've been in the fence about him but I'm not anymore. We've lost almost every winable game he's coached in while here. The two he won (sc) both took miraculous comebacks that never should have been required. We were firmly in control of both games in the second half before getting conservative and trying to run out the clock. Last night we saw an example of a great coach. They got the ball off a to late in the game while leading and put their foot on our throats and won.

So two questions...Who's next and how much longer before we can afford to part with Butch? Serious questions so please don't merge...

Boy are you going to be disappointed.

You do realize that he is playing with one (1) as in the singular - recruiting class and they are true freshmen. The General himself could not have built a successful team and offensive line with what Dooley left. He needs a few more of his guys and a few less of Dooley's guys to be successful.

 

[Vol-in-Atlanta]

Butch is here for many more years. Maybe you should step away from the keyboard for a few, I don't know, years. At least until your meds kick in.

I regret that I can only "like" this once.

 

[o3marine52]

"I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend".

Get back to me next year if we have this same record.

 

[sjt18]

Boy are you going to be disappointed.

You do realize that he is playing with one (1) as in the singular - recruiting class and they are true freshmen. The General himself could not have built a successful team and offensive line with what Dooley left. He needs a few more of his guys and a few less of Dooley's guys to be successful.

If you are looking for excuses... you'll always find them.

Dooley set him up poorly but that first recruiting class still belongs to Jones. After the much maligned "Dooley's guys"... who happen to include guys like Marcus Jackson, Jordan Williams, Curt Maggitt, Brian Randolph, Pig Howard, etc.... are all gone. Those looking to excuse failures will find something else.

 

[Vol Revolver]

I'll take a stab at it. I think we go sometime like 7-5 next year and again the following season. Then we have to part with him. At this point he is the decision of our ad so he's going to be as supportive as possible. After that I just hope there is an up and comer talented guy willing to take the job. My ultimate dream guy would be if Peyton Manning was done with his playing career and interesting in coaching. But as for right now a guy like Patterson or briles would have made a better coach than Butch.
One thing that totally sucks is that the ad is just given total control to make this decision. It should be done by committee. And include a guy like Fulmer. We brought in this new ad that has dedicated his life to bama and has no experience making these types of decisions. When a company chooses a ceo... There is a whole team of people involved in the decision

Seriously, dude? Peyton Manning? Lol!

He would probably be the only person willing to take the job if we treated butch like sh*t and fired him right now.

Some people just have no concept of rational thought. Of course no one knows if Butch will bring us an SEC title or not but you don't fire a coach after 2 or 3 years unless he is just an idiot, which butch is not. butch needs at least 3 more years to show major improvement.

You're being a whiny little titty baby that can't handle his favorwit team not winning evewy game. You are obviously not very bright so do yourself a favor and stop posting your emotionally charged BS because you sound like a women.

Pull your big girl panties up and tough out this year like the rest of us.

STOP BEING A B*TCH!

 

[chargervol]

Boy are you going to be disappointed.

You do realize that he is playing with one (1) as in the singular - recruiting class and they are true freshmen. The General himself could not have built a successful team and offensive line with what Dooley left. He needs a few more of his guys and a few less of Dooley's guys to be successful.

Funny you brought up Neyland.
I was just thinking there are a couple here that would have tried to run him off.
After all, he did have at least 2 consecutive seasons where he didn't even reach 6 wins.
From some posts I have read, "We are UT by gawd, we don't tolerate those seasons. NO EXCUSES!"

Glad we hung on to him anyway.

 

[MedicT]

Maybe suggest that to MedicT. He sees no problem with the the Mizzou game plan... everything's fine.

If you could take an objective view in giving your opinion then I would have no problem with it. As for arrogance, I would suggest you look in the mirror. Your arrogance combined with your apparent lack of understanding I think is what draws my attention to your posts.

Had UT won of course you would have had little issue with Jones decision making process which given the reality he was dealing with appears to be sound. UT lost however, and you are never at a loss for taking a cheap shot.

 

[tm3]

there is absolutely no reason why 8-9 win seasons shouldn't be considered the worst possible outcome for any season after the team is rebuilt. If fans really will accept a bowl trip every other year and that becomes the expectation for Tennessee, I guess I really do need to turn in my fan card. This is the dumbest thing I've ever read here, and I've been reading garbage posts for 8 years now.

If you are disagreeing that 8-9 wins and a bowl should be satisfactory for UT, you and I are on the same page.

If you are saying that my speculation about the fanbase is wrong, then just re-read the gazillion posts here about how CBJ is great because he is "better than Dooley."

 

[volfanbill]

If you are disagreeing that 8-9 wins and a bowl should be satisfactory for UT, you and I are on the same page.

If you are saying that my speculation about the fanbase is wrong, then just re-read the gazillion posts here about how CBJ is great because he is "better than Dooley."

I don't think the sunshine pumpers realize how much they sound like Vandy and Kentucky fans.

 

[oregonvol]

Boy are you going to be disappointed.

You do realize that he is playing with one (1) as in the singular - recruiting class and they are true freshmen. The General himself could not have built a successful team and offensive line with what Dooley left. He needs a few more of his guys and a few less of Dooley's guys to be successful.

I don't get why it's acceptable to just outright lie now.

A litany of excuses seeking to absolve the head coach of any responsibility to actually do his job is one thing. Why do you guys need to progress into posting absolute falsehoods as well?

Jones has signed 2 recruiting classes at UT. He has never signed and coached more than 3 anywhere he has been.

 

[Vols_tothe_Wall]

Go away. Pick a new team. You don't belong to Volnation anymore. You are the problem, not the coach. If you can't see progress in the program then you are a) blind b) too delusional to even notice c) just plain dumb

 

[VFL1953]

I've seen some of Chattavols' post history. Trust me, the "420" in his handle is not a mistake....."bro".