Butch has lost the team

#51
#51
I believe that Dobbs believes in Butch's system. So much so that he is afraid to buck it. I believe if Dobbs bucks the system and wins, Butch benches him. Butch has lost this team due to his pigheadedness with Dobbs.
 
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#52
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EZE said:
I don't think Butch has lost the whole team (he seems to still have guys like Dobbs, Barnett, etc.), but I do think he has lost a significant portion of it.

It is obvious that most of these players are not responding to the coaching. And they haven't all season. This SC game is not some new phenomenon. This team has underperformed since the opening kick against App State.



I suspect that there is something really rotten on the inside of this program right now.
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So rotten that Butch would resign
 
#53
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hcvol said:
This is definitely a witch hunt for Butch, but before you completely blame him ponder this... if take away the 3 turn overs and MULTIPLE bounced passes from our sub-par quarterback then we probably win by 17. Dobbs has played his heart out in his career and I am thankful for him... but he can't be a liability week in and week out.
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And who is the guy that keeps putting Dobbs on the field each week? Butch Jones.
 
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If CBJ doesn't bring in a new OC, he will end up being fired after next year. Quit being stubborn CBJ and bring in a young OC to reinvigorate our stagnant, simple and unimaginative offense.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
I thought I saw it in the 3rd quarter. I'm pretty sure of it now. Butch has lost his team in Year Four.

I think everybody likes Butch, including the players. He's a better man than Stooley and he does a hell of a lot more right than Stooley -- at least Monday to Friday.

But right now, the players know his offensive scheme will never work in the SEC. They also know that Butch is too stubborn to work with his player's strengths - he's always going to make his players fit his system. Instead of embracing the Dobbs dual threat, they coached him not to run this year. What they have done with Jalen Hurd should be a crime. Same could probably be said for Kamara and every wide out who has committed to Tennessee. If you were unsure about the BSiA Saturday coaching before - this is the game that links all the rest together. Can't blame talent and youth anymore.

It's Year Four. Every player on the roster is his. It's his team and they have lost faith in the Butch-fense.

I fear this is the game that sends us on the inexorable spiral. Butch has led us out of darkness but he can take us no further.

Buckle up Vols and let's hope the new AD has the vision and the guts to make the tough decisions.
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You don't play for this team so you have no idea what the players are thinking. Ask 1 before you type
 
#58
#58
I'm not sure where we go from here.
1. I don't think CBJ will be fired
2. Is it possible for CBJ to fire the majority of the coaching staff and resurrect team 121?
3. CBJ has brought us back to a decent amount of talent, but if the wrong move or no move is made we could slip back at an accelerated pace.
4. Someone better make the right choice quick or we will see a lot of losing seasons again. We have been one of the top ten programs, but we could be seeing that lost for the next decade.
 
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#59
#59
Coached Dobbs not to run?

The 2 teams that really beat us said, 'Dobbs will not run' and made him pass. Poor guy still can't read defenses and a soft oline 4 years in makes it almost impossible to set his feet and make accurate throws.

Okay. Not sure he would be accurate if he had the time.
 
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HoptownVol said:
5* Preston Williams leaves team in mid season, can't play again until 2018. PW was never reported as a "problem child." What message does this send? Internal meltdown is my read.
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Actually is was reported that PW did not want to put in what it took to play. He lost his position to others.
 
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EZE said:
Hard to say, but you can just look at Justin Martin's body language and see he is one of the malcontents.

Young people tend to tune out authority figures when:
1. They see them as a fraud.
2. They don't believe the message.
3. They perceive favoritism.

I doubt it is #1, because I do think Butch is a decent human being. But, I can see it being # 2 or 3 very easily. And maybe deserved, maybe not.
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Martin has bucked against the rules since he has been here. He probably doesn't agree with not being able to bend the rules and get away with it.

Bad example for what you are trying to say.
 
#62
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EZE said:
When the faces of the 4-star players change, but we keep getting substandard results,

And the faces of the coaches stay the same....

It is time to start looking at the coaches. You cannot keep claiming that every 4-star player you sign is a bust.
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But if they are a bust - they are a bust.
 
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vol-un-tear said:
Cancel the season :eek:lol:
The leaders on this team are not quitters.
Missing Sutton, JRM and Kamara hurt.
This team is beat up that's all.
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No, I'm afraid there is more to Butch Jones losing this team and Butch will prove it, so stay tuned:eek:lol:
 
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I have watched football at different levels enough to know that you can't judge whether a coach has lost the team without asking the team. Just because a team plays bad doesn't imply that. This team obviously feels beat up - the adversity they have faced losing player after player after player has taken a toll. That does eventually catch up with a team.

While we focus on the injuries impacting the offense and defense, the injuries also imply those playing on special teams are lost as well.

If this group of young men ever needed the support of their fans, it is now.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I have watched football at different levels enough to know that you can't judge whether a coach has lost the team without asking the team. Just because a team plays bad doesn't imply that. This team obviously feels beat up - the adversity they have faced losing player after player after player has taken a toll. That does eventually catch up with a team.

While we focus on the injuries impacting the offense and defense, the injuries also imply those playing on special teams are lost as well.

If this group of young men ever needed the support of their fans, it is now.
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I love this. There are a lot of obvious things wrong with the coaching staff but these young men need and deserve our support! This comment gave me pause and despite being as disappointed in a loss as I have been in years; I will still support these young men who are Vols as we all are! GBO!
 
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#70
Tell me how many schools don't have a QB coach???? Dobbs decision making is horrible but he's incredibly athletic.
 
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Cartervol said:
They've played like crap all year long.. You would have thought they'd at least clean some of it up. Never happened. Maybe they're tired of playing in that crappy offensive system.
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Team 119 fought tooth and nail with the best in the country. Even with injuries Team 120 should be better.

WTF happened in the off-season? At first I thought the BSiA didnt know how to handle a legit championship team.

But we haven't changed one bit from the team that came out against Appy State.
 
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#72
#72
I'm just not ready to say the team quit. I agree that poor coaching is a big problem that the new AD will have to address that ASAP. Maybe the injuries don't play in here.
Butch will have to make some tough decisions regarding his staff or he will be on the outside looking in.
 
#73
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EZE said:
I don't think Butch has lost the whole team (he seems to still have guys like Dobbs, Barnett, etc.), but I do think he has lost a significant portion of it.

It is obvious that most of these players are not responding to the coaching. And they haven't all season. This SC game is not some new phenomenon. This team has underperformed since the opening kick against App State.

I suspect that there is something really rotten on the inside of this program right now.
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Could it be how Jones treated the Bowles situation?

Drea was a very likable kid and did the right thing.
 
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One thing about it - whether coaching, player ability, or whatever - nobody (with the exception of Jennings occasionally) on this team, either offense or defense, seems to have any ability to be near a ball thrown by either QB. With Jennings, it apparently comes down to either a spectacular catch or a likely interception.
 
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