Butch Davis

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Dagreek1998

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I believe that our best bet would be to go with the guy who rebuilt Miami and stocked the selfs down there for Larry Coaker. Besides, he owned the Spurrier while he was there.
 
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nope he had mutiny on his hands in cleveland. He lied to his miami team that he was staying took off for cleveland and was ran out. Nothing but oportunist.
 
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Originally posted by Dagreek1998@Oct 31, 2005 8:06 AM
I believe that our best bet would be to go with the guy who rebuilt Miami and stocked the selfs down there for Larry Coaker. Besides, he owned the Spurrier while he was there.
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#1 - Fulmer is going nowhere.

#2 - How do you credit Butch Davis wih rebuilding anything? He took over a program that was winning 10 games a year and then only won 10 games once in his 5 years at Miami.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 31, 2005 8:45 AM
#1 - Fulmer is going nowhere.

#2 - How do you credit Butch Davis wih rebuilding anything?  He took over a program that was winning 10 games a year and then only won 10 games once in his 5 years at Miami.
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#1 - I agree.

#2 - Well, Butch does get some credit for establishing the program that did win a NC under Coker. That was Davis' staff, players, organization, etc. And I believe MIA had fallen off considerably before he came and turned them back into a national power.

I would NOT want Davis here though. He's an ego guy that wants to be in the NFL. We need Fulmer - he's a loyalist - and we need him to surround himself with good football coaches. His own stubborness and arrogance has been his downfall, however; because the position we find ourselves in is his fault. And he's been unwilling to see it until we lost 4 out of 7.
 
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Originally posted by Liper@Oct 31, 2005 10:03 AM
#1 - I agree.

#2 - Well, Butch does get some credit for establishing the program that did win a NC under Coker.  That was Davis' staff, players, organization, etc.  And I believe MIA had fallen off considerably before he came and turned them back into a national power.
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Not trying to bash Butch Davis, but go check the recordbook -Dennis Erickson won 52 games in the 5 seasons before Butch Davis got the job. Davis does deserve credit for laying the groundwork for the national championship year, but the notion that he rebuilt Miami is a little shaky.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 31, 2005 8:45 AM
#1 - Fulmer is going nowhere.

#2 - How do you credit Butch Davis wih rebuilding anything?  He took over a program that was winning 10 games a year and then only won 10 games once in his 5 years at Miami.
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Miami was in a bad time when Davis took over. David rebuilt the Miami program. He intalls discipline, he has the respect of his players, and has a zero tolerance policy. He would be my first choice to replace Fulmer, but I dont think he's going anywhere. I dont want him to leave.
 
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Originally posted by QBvol7@Oct 31, 2005 12:18 PM
Miami was in a bad time when Davis took over.
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This is all a moot point, but for the 3rd time . . . .No they weren't. They had just won 10 games!?

 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 31, 2005 2:29 PM
This is all a moot point, but for the 3rd time . . . .No they weren't.  They had just won 10 games!?
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I believe that you will find that Howard Schnellinberger is the man that turned the Hurricanes around.
 
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You've got that right. And if you've ever heard Schnellenberger speak, you know that he is not exactly shy about letting everybody know that fact.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 31, 2005 1:29 PM
This is all a moot point, but for the 3rd time . . . .No they weren't.  They had just won 10 games!?
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http://www.allcanes.com/miami-hurricanes-football/

They had just won 10 games, but so did Bama in 1999 and look at what happened in 2000. Miami was hit with sanctions, Davis came in and cleaned house and brought the prominence back at Miami. He hjad control of the players, the program, respect from the players, they feared him, he had a zero tolerance policy.

Now Miami is turning back into thug U. Coker does not ahve complete control over that program.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 31, 2005 1:29 PM
This is all a moot point, but for the 3rd time . . . .No they weren't.  They had just won 10 games!?
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GAVol,

With all due respect, that is a pretty narrow view of the state of their program. True, it wasn't irrecoverable, but it was declining.

They went 5-6 in '97, which I believe was Davis' third year. They had sanctions, scholarship reductions, and the whole nine yards leftover from the previous regime.

Davis' last year they went 11-1. In 'o1 they won the Nc, and in '02 the went 12-1 and played for another NC.

 
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Originally posted by Liper@Oct 31, 2005 2:17 PM
GAVol,

With all due respect, that is a pretty narrow view of the state of their program.  True, it wasn't irrecoverable, but it was declining.
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There's no doubt that Miami had a PR problem in the mid 90s. All I'm saying is that Miami won 10, 12, 11, 9 and 10 games in the years prior to Davis and then it took him 5 years to get back above 9 wins. He definitely restored order at Miami and set the stage for Coker's Nat'l title run the year after he left. I'm not knocking Davis, just pointing out that Miami wasn't some destitute program when Davis took over.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 31, 2005 2:43 PM
There's no doubt that Miami had a PR problem in the mid 90s.  All I'm saying is that Miami won 10, 12, 11, 9 and 10 games in the years prior to Davis and then it took him 5 years to get back above 9 wins.  He definitely restored order at Miami and set the stage for Coker's Nat'l title run the year after he left.  I'm not knocking Davis, just pointing out that Miami wasn't some destitute program when Davis took over.
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Your points are well taken, and I agree. It's never hard to "re-invigorate" Miami with all of that talent and recent-generational tradition.

With talent in a program, I think there is usually a lag of a couple of years before things catch up, good or bad. Bill Battle had a very good record at TN for most of his career, as an example. His record hid the state of affairs. Shula got this with BAMA.

I think Fulmer's winning % hides the real state of affairs with him. .300 vs. top 10 teams in last 7 years. Losing record vs. ranked teams in last 7 years. No championships. But hey, he wins almost 80% of his games.
 
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Originally posted by TennesseeVols317@Oct 31, 2005 1:54 PM
As a Browns fan I say no...Butch Davis is not a good coach, he has no positive leadership skills.
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..........and he looks like Tom Arnold. :D
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 31, 2005 2:43 PM
There's no doubt that Miami had a PR problem in the mid 90s.  All I'm saying is that Miami won 10, 12, 11, 9 and 10 games in the years prior to Davis and then it took him 5 years to get back above 9 wins.  He definitely restored order at Miami and set the stage for Coker's Nat'l title run the year after he left.  I'm not knocking Davis, just pointing out that Miami wasn't some destitute program when Davis took over.
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Are you ignorant. They were hit with sanctions, scholarship reductions, etc. It doesnt matter what they did before. Bama won the SEC in 1999 and then went down hill because fo sanctions. Miami did the same, Davis was brought in to restore order. The prgram was a mess and he cleaned it up. When Davis took over, Miami was in a serious disaster regardless of the prior year or years.
 
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