Butch Ball = Moneyball of CFB P5?

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Tin Man

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With all the *****in' and moanin' about CBJ's past and impending hires, could it be that he's trying to squeeze the most bang for the buck?

Hamilton didn't just botch hiring coaches, thereby driving UT programs into the ditch, he made unwise decisions on investments, expenditures, and accumulation of new debt. The once flush Department of Men's Athletics gave money to University academics. Post-Hamilton, the combined Athletics Department couldn't do that. Indeed, there were times when the AD needed support from the University's general revenues.

So, is CBJ trying to do the best that can be done with a constrained budget?

Anyone have insider insight into the AD budget?
 
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Regardless of he current financial situation of the university...you get what you pay for. I'll never believe that a football program like us can afford to pay an average coach 4 million but not pay 5.5 million for a great coach.
 
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Tin Man said:
With all the *****in' and moanin' about CBJ's past and impending hires, could it be that he's trying to squeeze the most bang for the buck?

Hamilton didn't just botch hiring coaches, thereby driving UT programs into the ditch, he made unwise decisions on investments, expenditures, and accumulation of new debt. The once flush Department of Men's Athletics gave money to University academics. Post-Hamilton, the combined Athletics Department couldn't do that. Indeed, there were times when the AD needed support from the University's general revenues.

So, is CBJ trying to do the best that can be done with a constrained budget?

Anyone have insider insight into the AD budget?
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The AD is no longer in the Red, all fired coaches have been paid and UT is no longer paying buyouts at this time.
 
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Tin Man said:
With all the *****in' and moanin' about CBJ's past and impending hires, could it be that he's trying to squeeze the most bang for the buck?

Hamilton didn't just botch hiring coaches, thereby driving UT programs into the ditch, he made unwise decisions on investments, expenditures, and accumulation of new debt. The once flush Department of Men's Athletics gave money to University academics. Post-Hamilton, the combined Athletics Department couldn't do that. Indeed, there were times when the AD needed support from the University's general revenues.

So, is CBJ trying to do the best that can be done with a constrained budget?

Anyone have insider insight into the AD budget?
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Not an insider, but I don't think you have to look past last years S&C coaching situation to answer that.

They fire Lawson, and promote Szersen without hiring anyone to take up the slack. Why would you do that unless someone overseeing the budget is insisting you make a cut somewhere?

So, I feel your constrained budget theory is more than reasonable.
 
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Getting Shoop hired just may have really been pushing the budget that buTch was allowed to work with.

Our AD $$$ in the bank to spend is $40 Million to well over $50 Million behind most big schools.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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They just paid their strength coach 375k, Shoop is at 1.15 mill. Most assistants are past 500k. So no way UT is constrained for 1 mill. for a OC hire. The department is in surplus last two years and Dooley just got paid off !!
 
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Football generates the vast majority of UTAD's revenue. Winning... increases revenues. Hiring good coaches is an investment, not a cost.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
The AD is no longer in the Red, all fired coaches have been paid and UT is no longer paying buyouts at this time.
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But some are calling for Butch to be fired? Hell Fire, it is going to take time to get the reserve fund built back up. If you have 100M plus in it, certain things are paid off of the interest. If you don't, you have to generate it or cut back.

I am sure some coaches are glad you guys would be willing to pay them NOT to coach, but not a whole helluva lot of it (if any) is coming out of your sorry pockets.

Just because buyouts are not being paid is no reason to start it back up.
 
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volmandu said:
They just paid their strength coach 375k, Shoop is at 1.15 mill. Most assistants are past 500k. So no way UT is constrained for 1 mill. for a OC hire. The department is in surplus last two years and Dooley just got paid off !!
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And that strength coach is going to oversee all the sports teams at UTK. The budget may not be overwhelmingly constrained, but it is really starting to be obvious there is a whole lot of long negotiations, hand wringing, and using budgetary apps on IPADS going on when coaches and administrators have meetings and conference calls.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Regardless of he current financial situation of the university...you get what you pay for. I'll never believe that a football program like us can afford to pay an average coach 4 million but not pay 5.5 million for a great coach.
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The Tennessee way, unfortunately
 
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sjt18 said:
Football generates the vast majority of UTAD's revenue. Winning... increases revenues. Hiring good coaches is an investment, not a cost.
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Not really. In 2015 revenues for D1 football shows Texas at #1 (losing record), TENN at #2 with 9 wins, and Ala was only #10.
 
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Tin Man said:
With all the *****in' and moanin' about CBJ's past and impending hires, could it be that he's trying to squeeze the most bang for the buck?

Hamilton didn't just botch hiring coaches, thereby driving UT programs into the ditch, he made unwise decisions on investments, expenditures, and accumulation of new debt. The once flush Department of Men's Athletics gave money to University academics. Post-Hamilton, the combined Athletics Department couldn't do that. Indeed, there were times when the AD needed support from the University's general revenues.

So, is CBJ trying to do the best that can be done with a constrained budget?

Anyone have insider insight into the AD budget?
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The A's actually made the playoffs. Butch can't finish first in the division.
 
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Titan05 said:
Bob Shoop's $1.15 million per year salary screams of penny pinching.
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And paying your linebackers coach north of $500k does as well.

That being said, he tried to get by with a first time strength coach who only knew techniques and methods of the guy he just fired and pay him $60k last year, so who knows. Quite the dichotomy.
 
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Making Shoop the 8th highest paid coordinator in the country and hiring Gullickson at 375 K per year doesn't exactly scream that anyone is holding the purse strings and preventing Jones from hiring who he wants.

Just another smoke screen on why the talent pool willing to work with Jones appears to be dwindling.
 
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Titan05 said:
Bob Shoop's $1.15 million per year salary screams of penny pinching.
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Or it screams that bob shoop is happy being paid what he is. Just because a person isn't being paid 2 mil a year doesn't mean they aren't good coach's or are not happy.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Maybe that they bit off too much with Jones if they are pinching 4 years in.
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Well said. IMO though this may be about control again with Butch just as it was with Debord. He doesn't want to hire anyone smarter than himself which severely limits the number of folks he can consider.
 
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You people realize the A's never won the title with the "moneyball" idea right? There is your answer as to whether why we shouldn't be going to the clearance isle for coaches.
 
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