Butch and Dobbs

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#151
joevol33 said:
Hey I'm not picking at anybody, but maybe this guy defending Peterman to his death, is indeed Peterman! Wouldn't that be something.
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I don't think Peterman likes himself as much as this dude does. :blink:
 
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American Pig said:
No, I'm just a guy who watched the preseason QB competition for hours where Peterman was clearly the most skilled passer in the stable.

I watched hours of passing drills to form my opinion. You formed your superficial opinion based on the few short minutes of a rookie being thrown to wolves. You have no basis for your superficial judgement. Your opinion is ill-informed and knee-jerk. Mine is informed. See the difference Spanky? Good.
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Your opinion really has no basis to it either. See, hours of pressureless passing do not idicate who the better QB is. Heck they can't even determine if you're a good QB. I'm sure plenty of us could go out there and perform those drills.

However, Mrs. Peterman, your son has shown to be ineffective in game situations. Our opinions are based off what reallys matters-game results.

Just because someone practices well does not mean they're a good QB. There's a reason Peterman has only seen '45 mins of playing time.'

As you said, Butch can see it. He can see that Peterman does not give us the best chance of winning.
 
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#153
theFallGuy said:
Dobbs doesn't need anymore praise right now. He has had a heavy dose of it in the media and with some fans who are ready to proclaim him the second coming of Jesus Christ after one solid game. Butch's job is to keep him level headed. He needs to prove he can win like this consistently before we start praising him. For all we know he could completely implode in the next game.
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This. I wish I could take my own advice and just not click on threads that I may not be interested in. Problem is that "Dobbs" threads seem to be monopolizing Volnation right now. Its getting a little ridiculous. This Dobbs lovers vs Dobbs haters stuff is simply stupid!

CBJ will play Dobbs. CBJ will sit Dobbs if he implodes. CBJ will play Peterman if said implosion happens. CBJ will play Peterman if Dobbs gets hurt. CBJ is gonna play who ever gives us the best chance to win based on the circumstances. What else is there to debate?
 
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GAVol said:
So, what have you seen that the rest of us haven't been privy to?

Nobody hates Peterman or has dismissed him. They just want somebody -anybody - to step up and provide good QB play and the current evidence points to the other guy.
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Practice reports and 30 sec drill vids.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Watch Peterman's first 2 series against Bama then watch Dobbs'. Ask yourself which one played better?

The answer is easy and its not close. Peterman had a bunch of playing time - but when he has played he has failed to do anything to solidify his position in the depth chart.
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Nate appeared in all 4 games he could have last year due to his injury and he's appeared in 5 of the 9 games this year. That's 9 out of a possible 13 games. He's had plenty of opportunities to impress outside of his 3 spring camps, 3 orange and white games and 3 fall camps.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Watch Peterman's first 2 series against Bama then watch Dobbs'. Ask yourself which one played better?

The answer is easy and its not close. Peterman had a bunch of playing time - but when he has played he has failed to do anything to solidify his position in the depth chart.
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1) I did. Both failed to score in their first two series.
Peterman moved the ball deep into Bama territory the first series. The refs killed the second drive drive spotting Hurd's first down way short.

2) Peterman has next to nothing for game experience. Dobbs had a half season under his belt. This is not a comparison of Dobbs vs Peterman on the field. This is NOT about which QB should start now. Dobbs should start. It's about the facts and what actually happened. It's about why Butch is not so starry-eyed about Dobbs or negative on Peterman as is the fanbase.

3) You are simply not dealing with the facts I argued. This is about the rewriting of Dobb's history by clowns like KBVol and his ilk who trashed Peterman and refused to tell the truth about what happened.
 
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#157
American Pig said:
Your limited vocabulary is not my deficiency.
No do you have an argument - or are you just cheerleading?
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My limited vocabulary? You keep using the same word over and over like you just learned it, and I have the limited vocabulary? That's rich.
 
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Aaaaaaaannnnnnddddd we're full circle back to the "hours of practice video" line.

Give it a rest. At this point I would guess Peterman would want you to drop it too because nobody is buying what your selling and IF your rabid support is having any impact at all at this point it's negative not positive
 
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KBVol said:
Every. Single. Time.
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You evaded my questions when confronted. Every. Single Time.
You cut and run when proven wrong. Every. Single. Time.
You distract to avoid accountability. Every. Single. Time.
You are dishonest. Every. Single. Time.
 
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American Pig said:
1) I did. Both failed to score in their first two series.
Peterman moved the ball deep into Bama territory the first series. The refs killed the second drive drive spotting Hurd's first down way short.
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Still at it with this idiocy I see.

The 38 yard line is NOT "deep into Bama territory". That drive ended when Peterman took a sack.

It is a simple fact that Dobbs moved the O better than Peterman and that the coaches had confidence in him over Peterman. You can delude yourself forever more into thinking that that confidence was some sudden epiphany that came upon them.... but it wasn't. They already knew that Dobbs was very likely their best option after Worley went down.

2) Peterman has next to nothing for game experience. Dobbs had a half season under his belt. This is not a comparison of Dobbs vs Peterman on the field. This is NOT about which QB should start now. Dobbs should start. It's about the facts and what actually happened. It's about why Butch is not so starry-eyed about Dobbs or negative on Peterman as is the fanbase.
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Peterman has next to nothing for game experience at this point because he didn't win the right to play.

3) You are simply not dealing with the facts I argued. This is about the rewriting of Dobb's history by clowns like KBVol and his ilk who trashed Peterman and refused to tell the truth about what happened.
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You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you up side the head... I know this because I and others spent about 100 pages or so smacking you up side the head with the truth.
 
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Vol_is_Lyfe18 said:
Your opinion really has no basis to it either. See, hours of pressureless passing do not idicate who the better QB is. Heck they can't even determine if you're a good QB. I'm sure plenty of us could go out there and perform those drills.

However, Mrs. Peterman, your son has shown to be ineffective in game situations. Our opinions are based off what reallys matters-game results.

Just because someone practices well does not mean they're a good QB. There's a reason Peterman has only seen '45 mins of playing time.'

As you said, Butch can see it. He can see that Peterman does not give us the best chance of winning.
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There is some validity to what pig has posted.

I have posted this before, but it does give validity to some of pigs opinion.

From Ryan Callahan 24/7 sports:

"In all candor, there were several days in preseason camp when Josh Dobbs looked nothing like an SEC quarterback.

Let’s put it this way: There were a couple of days where some of us media who cover Tennessee sat in our room inside the Neyland-Thompson Sports Center and legitimately discussed whether Dobbs or junior walk-on Matt Wegzyn — a Knoxville Catholic High School graduate who used to start at UMass — was the Vols’ third-best quarterback. And the debate was a good one."

"But to say anyone in or around the Tennessee program expected Dobbs to hit the ground running to this extreme wouldn’t be accurate."

"He’s growing up at a rapid rate, and he’s finally adjusted to throwing the ball with better mechanics and with more bulk on his frame — both were huge problems for him in preseason camp — and obviously he doesn’t shrink from the moment."

It kinda speaks for itself.
 
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sjt18 said:
Still at it with this idiocy I see.

The 38 yard line is NOT "deep into Bama territory". That drive ended when Peterman took a sack.

It is a simple fact that Dobbs moved the O better than Peterman and that the coaches had confidence in him over Peterman. You can delude yourself forever more into thinking that that confidence was some sudden epiphany that came upon them.... but it wasn't. They already knew that Dobbs was very likely their best option after Worley went down.

Peterman has next to nothing for game experience at this point because he didn't win the right to play.

You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you up side the head... I know this because I and others spent about 100 pages or so smacking you up side the head with the truth.
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You were pancaked and exposed as a serial liar son. Apparently, you are too stupid to recognize what happened.
You continually claimed I was wrong, yet 100% failed to demonstrate a single example of where I was wrong.
You still can't. I ate you alive on the facts every time you shot your mouth off. It's safe to say I own you boy.
 
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American Pig said:
You evaded my questions when confronted. Every. Single Time.
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No. Your objections were answered factually and reasonably by multiple posters on multiple occasions.
You cut and run when proven wrong. Every. Single. Time.
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I'm your huckleberry. Repeatedly I cited facts that have to be twisted and mangled to fit your narrative. And you never proved anyone wrong about anything. You repeatedly employed circular reasoning and selective data. It is in fact you that refused to answer questions or to answer them in ways that reasonably accounted for what we actually KNOW in total.
You distract to avoid accountability. Every. Single. Time.
You are dishonest. Every. Single. Time.
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Nope. That's you. When cornered, you made personal attacks and started name calling. The question at this point isn't really whether you are dishonest or not... it is only whether you are that effectively self-delusional (dishonest with yourself) or just dishonest with us because you are too vain to admit that you are wrong.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. Your objections were answered factually and reasonably by multiple posters on multiple occasions.
I'm your huckleberry. Repeatedly I cited facts that have to be twisted and mangled to fit your narrative. And you never proved anyone wrong about anything. You repeatedly employed circular reasoning and selective data. It is in fact you that refused to answer questions or to answer them in ways that reasonably accounted for what we actually KNOW in total.

Nope. That's you. When cornered, you made personal attacks and started name calling. The question at this point isn't really whether you are dishonest or not... it is only whether you are that effectively self-delusional (dishonest with yourself) or just dishonest with us because you are too vain to admit that you are wrong.
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I had no objections. I made the arguments son. You are so confused and twisted up in your own lies that you will say anything.

Please provide a demonstrable example of anything I argued that was wrong. Provide the facts and evidence that proved me wrong? You can't.
 
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