Butch and Dobbs

[GAVol]

Threads like this have to be among the saddest ever started on Volnation....we start winning, and the complainers, in their need to find something to whine about, starting picking apart whether or not Coach Jones pumps enough sunshine up Dobbs' exhaust port. I mean, come on! Really. This is not a big deal.

As stated before (though these comments were mostly ignored), Coach Jones knows exactly what to say to the media, public, and his players at the right time. When we were losing and Worley and the line getting ripped by us all, he stood by them, praised their positives, and encouraged them. They needed that, and we did, too. Now that Dobbs is winning, Butch is attempting to temper our expectations, while still letting Josh know that he believes in his VERY high ceiling. He expects nothing but the best for his QB of the present and future, and is helping his young QB to stay grounded. This harmless, constructive criticism likely fuels Josh's already outstanding focus.

There is NOTHING here to freak out about. This is Leadership 101.

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[Enki_Amenra]

Whose question did I avoid? Like the others, you evaded my questions and answered nothing.

Your question is silly. Coaches made it clear that Peterman would backup Worley and played him that way all the way up to and including Alabama.

Now answer my questions and stop evading.
Do you seriously contend that Peterman did not win the #2 position by outperforming Dobbs in the preseason QB competition?
In what reality did Dobbs beat Peterman in that competition?

In the reality where official depth charts take precedence over an ever changing summer/fall depth report.

I never said he beat Peterman, I only pointed out that Peterman didn't beat out Dobbs for #2. They were co-#2's, but now Peterman is alone at #2.

Why do you think a true 3rd string QB, who is being tracked for a redshirt, be named as a co-#2?

 

[tnvols72]

Dude, your stupid question doesn't matter anymore.

How about you answer this: If Peterman is the true number two to Worley, why isn't he playing?

I will take a shot at this question. Because he is now the true number 2 to Dobbs ?


close ?

 

[American Pig]

In the reality where official depth charts take precedence over an ever changing summer/fall depth report.

I never said he beat Peterman, I only pointed out that Peterman didn't beat out Dobbs for #2. They were co-#2's, but now Peterman is alone at #2.

Why do you think a true 3rd string QB, who is being tracked for a redshirt, be named as a co-#2?

Then you would be dead wrong - in reality. Peterman did beat Dobbs and won the backup (#2) spot.

Your question is nonsense. There is no #3 QB being tracked for RS. There was a #3 who was eligible for redshirt, but was needed for mobility and game management against Bama.

 

[tnvols72]

Whose question did I avoid? Like the others, you evaded my questions and answered nothing.

Your question is silly. Coaches made it clear that Peterman would backup Worley and played him that way all the way up to and including Alabama.

Now answer my questions and stop evading.
Do you seriously contend that Peterman did not win the #2 position by outperforming Dobbs in the preseason QB competition?
In what reality did Dobbs beat Peterman in that competition?

I just want to know , if Petermen was really the #2 then how come he had such a short leash in the Bama game ? All I know Petermen must be a he11 of a practice QB because every game he entered he was beyond Pathetic.
I bet you would still start him over Dobbs ?

 

[tnvols72]

Then you would be dead wrong - in reality. Peterman did beat Dobbs and won the backup (#2) spot.

Your question is nonsense. There is no #3 QB being tracked for RS. There was a #3 who was eligible for redshirt, but was needed for mobility and game management against Bama.

So you are saying Dobbs can manage the game better and is more mobile ?




what happened in the spring ,summer don't mean squat. what happens in the fall is what counts. Where is Petermen right now ?

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Then you would be dead wrong - in reality. Peterman did beat Dobbs and won the backup (#2) spot.

Your question is nonsense. There is no #3 QB being tracked for RS. There was a #3 who was eligible for redshirt, but was needed for mobility and game management against Bama.

OK, you're saying they were not officially listed as co-#2's. You're also saying that the coaches didn't confirm their intentions to redshirt Dobbs?

That's all I need to know.

 

[tnvols72]

OK, you're saying they were not officially listed as co-#2's. You're also saying that the coaches didn't confirm their intentions to redshirt Dobbs?

That's all I need to know.

He is so confused , he don't really know what he is trying to say. One thing he can believe right now is and that is Dobbs is #1 and Petermen is some place between #3-#4. an injured Worley is still better than a healthy Petermen.

 

[joevol33]

I love reading these late night squabbles.

 

[LvilleVol]

Butch is attempting to make excuses for not starting Dobbs at the first of the year. Everybody knows Butch messed up big time for wasting Dobbs this year. If he had started we would be contending for the SEC East , more than likely.

Butch could care less what you or any other "expert", who does not see practice, thinks about how he works with his quarterbacks.

Butch has been a football coach and a successful one alot longer than any of our so called experts. I think i will take his results every time.

 

[james_govols]

Lots of hate in here.

opcorn:

 

[Orangeslice13]

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neGAVol, you forgot to use blue font.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

Of his many roles, talents and skills, perhaps the one that CBJ is the best at is spin doctor. Every word spoken by him in public is thoughtful and intentional. I don't mean that negatively. It's just part of who he is and his role.

Part of the spin is managing expectations, and experience should tell all of us that possibility of a young, phenom QB coming out and crapping the bed is very real. Personally, I think Josh Dobbs is an excellent football player and an absolute joy to watch represent UT both on and off the field, but he's still a pup. There will be some growing pains.

IF CBJ continues to temper expectations, he'll be much better positioned to defend a meltdown. If Dobbs continues to dazzle and never has one, it's no skin off of anyone's nose but the Vol Nation Must-haters.

 

[ItsAllVols]

There was reasons why Dobbs didn't start from the beginning, parents request to RED SHIRT #1...he wasn't ready, he gain a lot of experience last year...the fail of the situation is Ferg leaving...he could have played most of the season when the Oline put some games on film... he could have step in and earlier than Dobbs step in....be careful though we are 1 hit away from having to go back to Peterman..good kid I'm just not sold on his ability to win games...hope it doesn't come to this.

 

[KBVol]

There was reasons why Dobbs didn't start from the beginning, parents request to RED SHIRT #1...he wasn't ready, he gain a lot of experience last year...the fail of the situation is Ferg leaving...he could have played most of the season when the Oline put some games on film... he could have step in and earlier than Dobbs step in....be careful though we are 1 hit away from having to go back to Peterman..good kid I'm just not sold on his ability to win games...hope it doesn't come to this.

Wut?

 

[GAVol]

There was reasons why Dobbs didn't start from the beginning, parents request to RED SHIRT #1...he wasn't ready, he gain a lot of experience last year...the fail of the situation is Ferg leaving...he could have played most of the season when the Oline put some games on film... he could have step in and earlier than Dobbs step in....be careful though we are 1 hit away from having to go back to Peterman..good kid I'm just not sold on his ability to win games...hope it doesn't come to this.

I don't buy the whole redshirt conspiracy. If he was the best option, he'd have been starting day 1.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Dude, your stupid question doesn't matter anymore.

How about you answer this: If Peterman is the true number two to Worley, why isn't he playing?

The only reason Dobbs was #3 is because the coaches wanted to red shirt him. Its really that simple. Peterman was #2 and played before Dobbs, when it became clear he wasn't going to get it done in game situations, the coaches really had no choice but to burn the red shirt.

 

[BeecherVol]

I don't buy the whole redshirt conspiracy. If he was the best option, he'd have been starting day 1.

I buy the RS talk because of where/who I heard it from. I think it was coupled with the idea he didnt fit the eye test in practice but his running ability in a game couldnt be measured in 7 on 7s.

 

[photovol]

Butch is attempting to make excuses for not starting Dobbs at the first of the year. Everybody knows Butch messed up big time for wasting Dobbs this year. If he had started we would be contending for the SEC East , more than likely.

Please stop with the if's...Ok?

 

[KBVol]

I don't buy the whole redshirt conspiracy. If he was the best option, he'd have been starting day 1.

He wasn't the best option, that was Worley. They saw Dobbs' potential and stated publicly that they wanted to invest an additional year in an effort to give him a development year. They believed Worley could get the team to 6 wins and a bowl.

When Worley went down, those thoughts and plans went out the window and they decided (correctly) that it was more important to get this team to a bowl than to preserve Dobbs' redshirt. Obviously, they knew that Dobbs gave them the better chance of the 2 remaining qbs to get the team to 6 or more wins.

It's all right there in front of you and makes all the sense in the world now that we have the benefit of hindsight and what's currently happening.

 

[GAVol]

I buy the RS talk because of where/who I heard it from. I think it was coupled with the idea he didnt fit the eye test in practice but his running ability in a game couldnt be measured in 7 on 7s.

Should've been more clear....
I could see using the RS if he wasn't the clear #1. I'm not convinced, though, that he was ever seen as the #1.

Who knows though? Maybe the thinking was that Worley could get to 6 wins so no need to use Dobbs ... but I can't imagine not playing the best guy during a rebuild.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

He wasn't the best option, that was Worley. They saw Dobbs' potential and stated publicly that they wanted to invest an additional year in an effort to give him a development year. They believed Worley could get the team to 6 wins and a bowl.

When Worley went down, those thoughts and plans went out the window and they decided (correctly) that it was more important to get this team to a bowl than to preserve Dobbs' redshirt. Obviously, they knew that Dobbs gave them the better chance of the 2 remaining qbs to get the team to 6 or more wins.

It's all right there in front of you and makes all the sense in the world now that we have the benefit of hindsight and what's currently happening.

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

 

[KBVol]

The only reason Dobbs was #3 is because the coaches wanted to red shirt him. Its really that simple. Peterman was #2 and played before Dobbs, when it became clear he wasn't going to get it done in game situations, the coaches really had no choice but to burn the red shirt.

100%. Not sure why people doubt this now that we've seen how things have played out. They clearly believed he was the better option over Peterman or Nate would've played more than 2 series vs Bama. Last I checked, that was Dobbs who played qb for UT about 90% of the snaps vs Bama and put up historic numbers in a win at SCar. It would be one thing for us all to choose up sides and just speculate. It's quite another now that we have the benefit of hindsight and historical fact.

 

[butchna]

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

Because it can't be simple!!!! IT JUST CAN'T!!! :scare:

 

[American Pig]

I don't buy the whole redshirt conspiracy. If he was the best option, he'd have been starting day 1.

You are correct. He performed very poorly last season and was beaten badly by Peterman and Worley in preseason. The Peterman haters can't handle the facts, so they made up phony tales about Dobbs being protected (See K_TownVol below) as the reason he was #3 and Peterman was #2.