Butch and Dobbs

[HoptownVol]

This. Dobbs has room for improvement. Butch knows his full potential and IMO is wanting him to display it. I see no problem with Butch's comments. Healthy criticism is a good thing.

Butch is just managing this thing. When you hear stories about standing ovations in class then maybe its not a bad
idea to temper the situation with a little coaching realism. And thats all Butch is doing. I agree with you 100%.

 

[volsportsfan]

If he'd of started at the first of the year he'd be having shoulder surgery or worse now. (It's easy to write your own ending when dealing in fantasy.) Don't underestimate the progress this line has made.

I'm sorry, I just don't believe this. The single biggest difference in this offensive line is the Dobb Goblin.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Butch is reticent because he remembers why Dobbs was demoted to number 3 - the poor passing and persistent inaccuracy that defied remedial work. When Peterman won the number 2 spot away from Dobbs, fans who dislike Peterman began spreading a myth that Dobbs was being preserved for next year as the reason why Dobbs was #3, rather than accept the fact that Peterman won the #2 spot. Seems that most people here have swallowed that myth too - despite all facts and evidence to the contrary.

Of course Butch knows the real story and is not caught up in hype. He has better information and experience than the fans. Hopefully the reasonably good passing accuracy and always powerful arm of Dobbs will not slip back into the bad habits. Perhaps Butch still sees it in practice and it will take more than two games for Butch to be convinced.

Dobbs is the starter. Peterman is not.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Butch is reticent because he remembers why Dobbs was demoted to number 3 - the poor passing and persistent inaccuracy that defied remedial work. When Peterman won the number 2 spot away from Dobbs, fans who dislike Peterman began spreading a myth that Dobbs was being preserved for next year as the reason why Dobbs was #3, rather than accept the fact that Peterman won the #2 spot. Seems that most people here have swallowed that myth too - despite all facts and evidence to the contrary.

Of course Butch knows the real story and is not caught up in hype. He has better information and experience than the fans. Hopefully the reasonably good passing accuracy and always powerful arm of Dobbs will not slip back into the bad habits. Perhaps Butch still sees it in practice and it will take more than two games for Butch to be convinced.

Butch Jones being the foremost among those "fans" perpetuating that rumor.

“We’ll see how that goes,” Jones said of redshirting Dobbs. “In a perfect world, yes, but Josh is prepared to play each and every week. As we’ve come to know around here, you’re one snap away.”

Butch Jones hopes to redshirt Joshua Dobbs - GoVolsXtra Story

I'll give you credit though. You're easily the most hard headed idiot on this site.

 

[BigTCountry]

thier relationship is what it is... Coach to player. coaching does not conist of all praising like some youngsters hear through their whole childhood. Coach can praise a player when they reach their senior year and their potential is at its max and all they have left to do is execute their last 12 games.

My thought on each QB CBJ deals with is: his expectations on each QB will be and is different. He knows Dobbs and he know hes not playing to his max potential even though good results are showing on the field, and thats regardless of whether or not hes outplaying any of our other QBs. I hope he coaches him hard, its easier to coach a kid harder when their performing well, much easier.

The PIG is back on the same ship that already sailed. Time to get another thread deleted. :crazy:

 

[millst987]

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[chargervol]

CBJ should be more "resilient" when being asked to say something nice about Josh Dobbs.

Hug by Hug!!!

A reporter "asked" for nice things to be said about Dobbs?

That just seems odd.:question:

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

A: He wants to keep him grounded and not let him get caught up in the hype.
B: He has room to improve and get much better (Yeah!).
C: He encourages the backups to improve...just in case we have to go to them.
D: It motivates Dobbs!

 

[99bubble]

Actually I just think he knows Dobbs is a smart kid and can handle it. Good coaches are able to treat players differently based on what motivates them. Dobbs is cerebral enough to take the criticism in stride and work on his weaknesses. Just my opinion .

 

[Fijivol72]

The reason I started this thread is that I am looking at the end game from Butch. As a former CEO there are some people that need a fire lit under them. However Butch himself says focus and motivation is not the problem. This year he has played 1 3/4 games, what was Butch's expecting? I know damn well not what he got. As bad as Worley stunk it up for 2 year's I don't recall Butch saying anything about his lack of improvement, or consistency and goodness knows there was plenty to criticize.

 

[BigTCountry]

The reason I started this thread is that I am looking at the end game from Butch. As a former CEO there are some people that need a fire lit under them. However Butch himself says focus and motivation is not the problem. This year he has played 1 3/4 games, what was Butch's expecting? I know damn well not what he got. As bad as Worley stunk it up for 2 year's I don't recall Butch saying anything about his lack of improvement, or consistency and goodness knows there was plenty to criticize.

Yes, but he also knew Worley played to his strengths and knew that he was doing what he asked him too. with Dobbs he can be much harder because his ceiling is mucher higher. Worleys low ceiling is only Dobbs first step up the stairs

 

[chargervol]

The reason I started this thread is that I am looking at the end game from Butch. As a former CEO there are some people that need a fire lit under them. However Butch himself says focus and motivation is not the problem. This year he has played 1 3/4 games, what was Butch's expecting? I know damn well not what he got. As bad as Worley stunk it up for 2 year's I don't recall Butch saying anything about his lack of improvement, or consistency and goodness knows there was plenty to criticize.

I think you answered your question.

The person in charge knows what motivates each person. Worley took tons of criticism and probably needed support. He played very well until injured this year.
Dobbs may thrive off of being challenged.

 

[American Pig]

Butch Jones being the foremost among those "fans" perpetuating that rumor.

“We’ll see how that goes,” Jones said of redshirting Dobbs. “In a perfect world, yes, but Josh is prepared to play each and every week. As we’ve come to know around here, you’re one snap away.”

Butch Jones hopes to redshirt Joshua Dobbs - GoVolsXtra Story

I'll give you credit though. You're easily the most hard headed idiot on this site.

Butch didn't perpetuated the rumor that Dobbs was being preserved for next year as the reason he was #3 behind Peterman.
Where did Butch say that?
Are you denying that Peterman beat Dobbs to take over #2 spot in summer QB competition?

Of course, you'll evade answering. Facts matter.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

Butch didn't perpetuated the rumor that Dobbs was being preserved for next year as the reason he was #3 behind Peterman.
Where did Butch say that?
Are you denying that Peterman beat Dobbs to take over #2 spot in summer QB competition?

Of course, you'll evade answering. Facts matter.

You have to be related to Peterman. That's the only way I can reasonably believe why you're so in love with him.

Yes, Peterman is the permanent number two, unless Dobbs gets hurt. Heck, Peterman may not be number two going into next years season.

Again, barring injury, his SEC career is done. He can't cut it at this level, which explains his lack of playing time.

Forget his four star rating, and forget his minimal playing time. Playing time is earned and Peterman hasn't earned it.

 

[golf437]

You have to be related to Peterman. That's the only way I can reasonably believe why you're so in love with him.

Yes, Peterman is the permanent number two, unless Dobbs gets hurt. Heck, Peterman may not be number two going into next years season.

Again, barring injury, his SEC career is done. He can't cut it at this level, which explains his lack of playing time.

Forget his four star rating, and forget his minimal playing time. Playing time is earned and Peterman hasn't earned it.

Why be so jealous Or Peterman. So funny.

 

[volroadwarrior]

Dobbs is playing great but he could be playing better. I think that is Butch's issue. He is still missing a lot of throws, making some bad decisions, running when receivers are open, etc. Idk why people are so concerned with their "relationship." I don't think you will ever hear CBJ say a player is playing flawlessly and doesnt need to improve.

He wants improvement and consistency, for example, not throwing sure TD passes behind North and other receivers, over throwing receivers, etc. He has played very well overall, but if he can make these corrections, then the sky is the limit. Butch pushes for details to be perfect, never achieves perfection, but keeps pushing to get better.

 

[volroadwarrior]

I think you answered your question.

The person in charge knows what motivates each person. Worley took tons of criticism and probably needed support. He played very well until injured this year.
Dobbs may thrive off of being challenged.

Don't try explaining logic to an ignoramus.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

Why be so jealous Or Peterman. So funny.

Hwhat?

 

[YorkVol]

Butch isn't talking to Dobbs, he's talking to us and trying to tell us not to expect too much now that the other teams have new film of Dobbs and can scheme against him.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Butch didn't perpetuated the rumor that Dobbs was being preserved for next year as the reason he was #3 behind Peterman.
Where did Butch say that?
Are you denying that Peterman beat Dobbs to take over #2 spot in summer QB competition?

Of course, you'll evade answering. Facts matter.

Dobbs is the better QB. If Peterman was #2 then he would be the starter now. Facts matter.

 

[tenninohio]

Butch is just managing this thing. When you hear stories about standing ovations in class then maybe its not a bad
idea to temper the situation with a little coaching realism. And thats all Butch is doing. I agree with you 100%.

CBJ has coached successful quarterbacks in a spread offense at his previous HC jobs. He understands the fans' reactions to a "better than average" game but needs to control the fans' expectations vs. the QB's noise in his head of the "quick fame".

I'm sure CBJ has seen this "process" before and knows full well how to handle the "next great QB".

 

[joevol33]

Butch just doesn't wanna come out and say it
So I will. Dobbs is the man now, future superstar, and he's gonna lay a butt whooping on the sec from here on out. Butch is just humble about it.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Butch is attempting to make excuses for not starting Dobbs at the first of the year. Everybody knows Butch messed up big time for wasting Dobbs this year. If he had started we would be contending for the SEC East , more than likely.

Yeah..well if it wasn't for Butch Jones, Dobby would be at ASU, and you wouldn't have this to ***** about. I am sure you would find something else though. Piss and moan....blah blah blah. :good!:

 

[1985Vols]

What I heard by watching Coach Jones presser was he wanted to see more consistency in practice from Dobbs.


Nothing bad in that, I've always heard since playing sports from a young age you play like you practice.

Too bad that isn't working for Peterman.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You have to be related to Peterman. That's the only way I can reasonably believe why you're so in love with him.

Yes, Peterman is the permanent number two, unless Dobbs gets hurt. Heck, Peterman may not be number two going into next years season.

Again, barring injury, his SEC career is done. He can't cut it at this level, which explains his lack of playing time.

Forget his four star rating, and forget his minimal playing time. Playing time is earned and Peterman hasn't earned it.

I disagree that he can't cut it.
He has skill that could be developed.
You are correct that he's not going to get a shot unless Dobbs is injured. He has his chance and Dobbs won out. That doesn't mean under different circumstances that Peterman couldn't develop as Crompton did.