Butch - “Offensive Issues Are Due To Players Not Executing.”

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Someone should take the Jones playbook and system, take it out back and execute it. Firing squad, drawn and quartered, really don't care.
 
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It is the fundamental job of coaches to teach execution--that is what they are paid to do. The buck always stops with the coach/coaches. This offense is terrible and has never been very good. Jones is just in survival mode.
 
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The coaching staff owns 100% players executing. If players are not or do not execute they should not be on the field and give PT to players who will. Player execution is owned by the coaching staff lock, stock, and barrel. Can a player be beaten by a superior player even though executing? Absolutely, happens all the time as good staffs scheme for athletic, size, experience, or strength mismatches all the time if possible. But players being where and when they are supposed to be, snapping when they should, blocking who they should even though being partially or ineffective due to a better opponent, position to making a tackle rather than the "bad angle" BS, all of that is execution and the staff owes it to the program to make sure players on the field execute even if they get beat. CBJ just admitted he has players not executing, so the answer is A. ask them pretty please with sugar on top to execute B. give them a do it for the Gipper story to execute C. holler louder so they'll execute D. set by example any one failing to execute does not play no matter if you're a superstar or a 2 star recruit. Well coached teams get beat even if their players execute, poorly coached teams go 0fer you know like we are in the SEC currently and the coaching staff owns it 100%.
 
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Players are a small part of the blame. The players, especially offensive, do not seem to be willing to put in the time on their own to make improvements. They have to do something together to overcome this lack of coaching. At least get together and review plays and signals to make sure they are on the same page. We ran a flea flicker with no receivers going out in a pattern. We have a QB not reading blitzes and getting creamed and taking losses. That is on the players. Which takes us back to the real issue is lack of coaching from Butch and his staff especially on the offensive side. Failure starts and stops at the top. Fire Butch now.
 
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Doesn’t matter if he thinks his system is flawless. He can’t develop the players. IMO, he has already lost some of the locker room and fixing to loose more. His BS is up.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. Not really. You/ve taken a program that executes at a very high level and equate the few execution errors it makes against one of the best teams in the country to the general lack of execution by Jones' team.

The lack of execution by Jones' teams going all the way back to his 1st year... is the issue. This isn't a new development. This is a pattern than a few of us here recognized as a possibly fatal flaw going back to Vandy in '13.

My hope in Jones hinged on him maybe being an execution focused coach like Cutcliffe. He talked about it. But ultimately he doesn't have the talent to make it happen.
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it's ironic that he blames the players' lack of execution being the reason for the woeful record when in fact, he is unable to execute the concepts of teaching and coaching to those players. Just my opinion, but you can't be a buddy to your football team if you're the head coach and again, in my opinion, that is what he's tried to do.
 
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Players will, from time to time, have down games...it's going to happen, and that's why there are 10 others out on the field at any given time so the overall performance is sufficient to compete and win. The coach is to blame when the problems are as systemic as they are (and have been for a while now). A kid having a tough test or off-field issues on his mind causing him to have a bad game is different than the widespread breakdown we've seen under the current coach's watch.
 
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He must have the most complex, mind boggling system that is known to mankind. It's a combination of the Enigma codes and Navajo Indian written language. Literally no one knows how to run it, including Jones himself
 
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wmcovol said:
WRs are horrible.

On one play where bama blitzed off the corner. Calloway didn't run to the spot the blitzing DB vacated. Instead he ran to the safety and tried to block him. Running to the spot the DB vacates is the hot read for the qb who sees Te corner blitz. Instead JG had no read and got sacked.

That is embarrassing bad. Makes them look like a ragtag team.
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I agree that the WR's are horrible. But both QB's are not checking off, they are zoning in on their target. It's like they have their mind made before the ball is snapped.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
True to a point. But think about it, are all these guys on UTs roster just 2 and 3* nobodies? I mean did they come from little tiny schools? No they did not. Many of these guys were highly recruited and rated guys. Now that means these players are supposed to have talent. Yes coaching is a big part of it but its not all of it. You can be the best coach in the world but if your guys dont execute, then you arent going to win.

Take Alabama last year losing to Clemson. What happened? Was it Sabans coaching that cost them the game? Was it Bama player execution failures? What about when Bama lost to Hugh Freeze? Was Freeze the better coach? Or was it Sabans players just screwed it up? All of you who assign zero blame to players are just flat out wrong.
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Who decides that non executing players stay on the field?

Do we not have backups that want to play? Meaning they would be willing to execute the scheme to get on the field.

There's a reason that guy you mentioned at the end doesn't lose very often, and even tho he demands it and will snatch your ass off the field and send you packing if you don't comply, that doesn't guarantee him a win every time he takes the field either.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. Not really. You/ve taken a program that executes at a very high level and equate the few execution errors it makes against one of the best teams in the country to the general lack of execution by Jones' team.

The lack of execution by Jones' teams going all the way back to his 1st year... is the issue. This isn't a new development. This is a pattern than a few of us here recognized as a possibly fatal flaw going back to Vandy in '13.

My hope in Jones hinged on him maybe being an execution focused coach like Cutcliffe. He talked about it. But ultimately he doesn't have the talent to make it happen.
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Irrelevant. Facts are facts. If your players do not execute, it doesnt matter how good your coach is. I am not absolving Jones in any way. But football is a team sport. That includes coaching and player execution. You cannot be successful without both.

Not everything our players do or fail to do is Butchs fault. Thats not how it works.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Who decides that non executing players stay on the field?

Do we not have backups that want to play? Meaning they would be willing to execute the scheme to get on the field.

There's a reason that guy you mentioned at the end doesn't lose very often, and even tho he demands it and will snatch your ass off the field and send you packing if you don't comply, that doesn't guarantee him a win every time he takes the field either.
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So is football a team sport or not?
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
I agree that the WR's are horrible. But both QB's are not checking off, they are zoning in on their target. It's like they have their mind made before the ball is snapped.
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Again, it's up to the coaches to teach those things to the players. Coaching is not going on with this program, and it's apparently becoming very apparent to outsiders and insiders. Recruiting is bound to suffer even more as recruits get the message from other teams' coaches.
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
I agree that the WR's are horrible. But both QB's are not checking off, they are zoning in on their target. It's like they have their mind made before the ball is snapped.
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Ever consider that the lack of reads and check offs are coaching decisions?

They tried to open the offense up a little under Dormady and he started turning the ball over.

They appear to have swung the pendulum in the opposite direction for Guarantano.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Irrelevant. Facts are facts. If your players do not execute, it doesnt matter how good your coach is. I am not absolving Jones in any way. But football is a team sport. That includes coaching and player execution. You cannot be successful without both.

Not everything our players do or fail to do is Butchs fault. Thats not how it works.
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Systemic failure always falls back on coaching.
 
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dyllisvol42 said:
I loved the part when Jimmy asked him about the talent disparity or somethingaong those lines between us and UGA and Bama. Jones said they are very talented with a lot of juniors and seniors who have played a lot of football, especially on defense.
Phillips-junior
Tuttle(although hurt) junior
McKenzie-junior
Kongbo-junior
Vickers-junior
Taylor -rssophomore
Jumper-junior
Mostly-sr
Martin-sr
Abernathy-jr
Gaulden-rs jr
Wiggins fifth he sr
That's on defense!!!! Somewhere we are missing something. Are the players just not that good or is development that bad. I'm going with number two.
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Number 2 obviously.
 
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MaTaLa said:
When there's obvious long term patterns of problems it's NOT the players' issues at the core.
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At the core? No. But how many times have we seen our players fail to execute? Yes thats a coaching failure but at some point a player has to live up to his talent level. Tennessee is not full of low ranked bum players. Many of these guys are highly rated players. 4 and 5* guys that should require much less development than ssy low ranked guys.

All I am saying is in football you cannot blame the coaches for everything. Players have their blame.
 
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I completely agree with Butch.

The problem is the failure of the players to execute falls on the shoulders of the coaches.

If they are failing to execute, it's because you have failed to teach.

Same **** at Florida right now.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Irrelevant. Facts are facts. If your players do not execute, it doesnt matter how good your coach is.
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No. Not "irrelevant".... manifestly and CRITICALLY relevant.

The quality of your COACH has a LOT to do with the relative level of execution.

I am not absolving Jones in any way. But football is a team sport. That includes coaching and player execution. You cannot be successful without both.
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Players don't just "execute". They're coached and developed under the HC. Some coaches get the best from their players... and other coaches even diminish the players' ability to use their natural talent. Jones... is the latter.

Not everything our players do or fail to do is Butchs fault. Thats not how it works.
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Two math professors teaching the same class. One has a normal spread under the bell curve. The other has more than 50% of his students failing. Not "all" of the questions they miss on their exams are "because of" the teacher... but ultimately the difference in "execution" comes back to the inability of the teacher to prepare them for the test.

That's the difference between Jones and an "average" coach. Saban... has a curve skewed toward "A's"
 
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