"But he's an excellent recruiter..."

[BigT_Chief]

And, it seems, after they transfer, they get better. See Ferguson, Peterman.

 

[Behr]

Does no good to buy a sportscar if you don't know how to drive it

Yea, I'm a dirt track racecar driver and someone hands me the keys to a Ferrari formula I and 4 million dollars and says "here, wanna see what you can do with it?"

Just like Butch, you try to make sense with your "speak".

 

[MFL]

After he banks his buyout recruiting would be perfect job for him.

 

[DaUndergroundMan]

Posts like this are why the like button is missed. 👍

And why the like button is gone, on certain threads at least.

 

[Vfl2407]

Bryant plays Mike. I don't even think Al Wilson could get on the field ahead of Jumper if Butch has anything to do with it.

Jumpers rise from nowhere is actually pretty fascinating.

Ace!: "The Gingerbread Man story" - YouTube

 

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

I think something is going to come out about Alabama sooner or later. Vacating Championships and heisman USC type stuff. Absolutely no facts or stats to back this claim except for my hate of Alabama.

 

[Bob Neyland]

Let's assume Butch is a great recruiter. This is the problem Tennessee has in general:

Historically, the Vols have a 0.681 winning percentage overall and 0.637 conference.

Since 1970, the Vols have had a 0.671 winning percentage and 0.594 overall.
In the 1970's, it was 0.654 and 0.500
In the 1980's, it was 0.668 and 0.613
In the 1990's, it was 0.813 and 0.799
In the 2000's, it was 0.654 and 0.638
Since 2010, it has been 0.533 and 0.333

Some of this was Dooley, no doubt. Butch rebounded UT to 0.600 and 0.424. Which is historically still terrible and far below what UT is expected to deliver overall and within the conference.

Butch is a nice guy. But he is underperforming big time. UT has done much better and should.

 

[Bob Neyland]

Of course, another way to look at this if you look at the numbers is ... we are supposed be 3-2 at this point of the year. I wonder if THAT is what the AD Currie is looking at?

 

[BeardedVol]

Let me help you, Booker, because your apparently stupid.

Since 2013 does noy mean the class in 2013. It means everthing SINCE that date.

 

[jonnon111]

Like the use of commas??

lol:

2013 Players would be at best Redshirt seniors this year. Or graduated, so whats the point?

Just another reason to complain about Butch i guess.

100% of Sabans 2012 class has left Alabama. Fahr Nick!!!

 

[Catbone]

your apparently stupid.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

How dare Booker read an article on Rocky Top Insider, and link it here? How dare he? In retrospect, I'm sure even the he will agree that he must be stupid.

The Big Orange Comissars have put RTI on the non-sanctioned list, as of two weeks ago. It is fake media subversive in nature to the 1000 year reign of dear leader. Glorious subservient Erik Ainge of "Jones or Die" radio show just reported Butch recruited 9 5*-one of which is a 6'9" QB eligible to play against the lowly one-celled flatulent gamecocks next saturday- while in Memphis along with diverting the Mississippi River in order to build a new and better pyramid on top of the old one. The pyramid will stand for 10,000 10,000 years to strike fear into future generations of the vile dotard Chip Kelly's inbred, cross-eyed and misshapen progeny. While there the brilliant and studiously handsome father of our football program, Butch Jones made 100 virgins faint while bowling a 300 before playing a round of golf. He was 39 under par with 10 holes in one.

OP will start listening closely to Ainge most vociferously tomorrow morning in the benevolent state re-education program.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

How dare Booker read an article on Rocky Top Insider, and link it here? How dare he? In retrospect, I'm sure even the he will agree that he must be stupid.

The Big Orange Comissars have put RTI on the non-sanctioned list, as of two weeks ago. It is fake media subversive in nature to the 1000 year reign of dear leader. Glorious subservient Erik Ainge of "Jones or Die" radio show just reported Butch recruited 9 5*-one of which is a 6'9" QB eligible to play against the lowly one-celled flatulent gamecocks next saturday- while in Memphis along with diverting the Mississippi River in order to build a new and better pyramid on top of the old one. The pyramid will stand for 10,000 10,000 years to strike fear into future generations of the vile dotard Chip Kelly's inbred, cross-eyed and misshapen progeny. While there the brilliant and studiously handsome father of our football program, Butch Jones made 100 virgins faint while bowling a 300 before playing a round of golf. He was 39 under par with 10 holes in one.

OP will start listening closely to Ainge most vociferously tomorrow morning in the benevolent state re-education program.

I am convinced everyone gleaned over this without actually reading it. This is the best post in the entire thread.

 

[jonnon111]

I see everyone is a grammar Nazi. Congratulations my friends you are correct, my grammar is not perfect (Or even close)

My argument is why are we talking about the other classes? Did he not mention the 2014 and 2015 classes? The OP said 40% have transferred out. But according to the quote that many of you are referencing he addresses that some were academically ineligible and some were kicked off the team. That is by definition not a transfer. So its still wrong. The OP links the article but comments on 40% of butch's players. He does not qualify his own statement therefore he is exaggerating what the article is actually saying. Thats my point.

 

[tastycar]

Let me help you, Booker, because your apparently stupid.

Since 2013 does noy mean the class in 2013. It means everthing SINCE that date.

You are calling someone stupid? It's EVERYthing, not EVERthing

 

[jonnon111]

You are calling someone stupid? It's EVERYthing, not EVERthing

I guess people who grade message board posts for accuracy know how to spell, but they don't know how to use a period at the end of a sentence. So at least don't make a mistake making fun of me making a mistake. Kinda takes away from your point . . . Right? lol:

I have acknowledged all the english teachers and all the Grammar Nazis. Thanks.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

It's the great equalizer

I see what you did there, and since this is an informal website, grammar is not what is being judged or weighed, it's the "point" the posters are trying to express. If you are one of "those" I can only guess, you've missed the "point" several times in your life, bet your a bundle of fun to be around. People like you hide behind these types of jabs to redirect the attention from their own weakness......what are you hiding?.....besides the obvious, this is a safe place :blink:

 

[JoAllan]

Better to have all 3 stars and coach them up, than 4 stars and coach them down.

 

[igotworms]

There is literally no better moment for message boards than when a poster calls someone stupid while having multiple grammar errors in their own post.

It's why I personally live for

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

People have been pointing this stuff out for a while now. And when anyone here pointed it out, they were mocked and the recruiting rankings by year were used as a response.

The 3rd rated class isn't the 3rd rated class if 35% of the class is gone.

This also doesn't include the amount of people who are still around, but are not contributing at the level that was expected (ex. Dillon Bates).

All schools have this, but it's been more of a problem at Tennessee.

Some fans prefer to white knight for the coach than face facts that said coach isn't getting the job done.

I've been seeing this since Fulmer on these various message boards.

Never have bought into the Jones is a great recruiter hype for the reason you stated. If he loses 30 to 40 percent of his classes every year for whatever reason then he isn't doing that great a job.

Doesn't matter if he ticks them off...they flunk out..or have injuries carrying over....just tells me he and his staff aren't doing their homework on the front end.

 

[SanguineVol]

Am I allowed to try to stay on topic, or do I need to call someone stupid instead?

I think Butch's recruiting has been overrated. His best class was loaded with Vol legacies, which was a smart move, but doesn't make Butch a great recruiter. He was the beneficiary of good timing, being in position to recruit the children of former players who just happened to be highly regarded. Unfortunately, more than a few of those players haven't panned out, which is bad for everyone.

Also, Butch's classes have typically been more quantity than quality. Even this year before the decommitments, the average commit rating in the 247 composite - for whatever it's worth - was the lowest of any class in the top 10, and among the lowest in the top 20. For example, Tennessee has - had? - only two players in the composite top 100, Cade Mays and Greg Emerson. To be fair, two is certainly better than most schools, but Bama, Georgia, and Florida often have quite a few, and even more in the top 250.

Butch's recruiting often looks good on paper, but I don't think it holds up under scrutiny. Now, let's get back to calling each other stupid.

 

[jonnon111]

Am I allowed to try to stay on topic, or do I need to call someone stupid instead?

I think Butch's recruiting has been overrated. His best class was loaded with Vol legacies, which was a smart move, but doesn't make Butch a great recruiter. He was the beneficiary of good timing, being in position to recruit the children of former players who just happened to be highly regarded. Unfortunately, more than a few of those players haven't panned out, which is bad for everyone.

Also, Butch's classes have typically been more quantity than quality. Even this year before the decommitments, the average commit rating in the 247 composite - for whatever it's worth - was the lowest of any class in the top 10, and among the lowest in the top 20. For example, Tennessee has - had? - only two players in the composite top 100, Cade Mays and Greg Emerson. To be fair, two is certainly better than most schools, but Bama, Georgia, and Florida often have quite a few, and even more in the top 250.

Butch's recruiting often looks good on paper, but I don't think it holds up under scrutiny. Now, let's get back to calling each other stupid.

Calling people lazy gets them fired up too.

 

[tastycar]

I guess stupid people know how to spell, but they don't know how to use a period at the end of a sentence.

I have acknowledged all the english teachers and all the Grammar Nazis. Thanks.

My, you're (or, as you would spell it) your a PEACH. Not a miserable human being at all.

 

[Booker512]

I see everyone is a grammar Nazi. Congratulations my friends you are correct, my grammar is not perfect (Or even close)

My argument is why are we talking about the other classes? Did he not mention the 2014 and 2015 classes? The OP said 40% have transferred out. But according to the quote that many of you are referencing he addresses that some were academically ineligible and some were kicked off the team. That is by definition not a transfer. So its still wrong. The OP links the article but comments on 40% of butch's players. He does not qualify his own statement therefore he is exaggerating what the article is actually saying. Thats my point.

I actually said "40% of your TOP players". As in, your best, the ones that count, the jewels of your classes, etc. As in, the 2014, 2015 recruiting classes...

The 2014-2015 classes were the ones everyone touts as evidence that he is the next Urban Meyer of recruiting. But the point is, his recruiting ability is a paper tiger. Yes. He brings them in. But they don't stay. So what is the point of bragging that he is an excellent recruiter?

He also signs these large classes with like 4-5 four star players, and maybe 1 five star. Then loads up with 3 stars to add shear numbers to pump the class up. But then the 4 and 5 star players transfer out or get kicked off. Leaving the majority of our roster full of 3 stars.

He is the epitome of a used car salesman.

You're mad because you came on here throwing out a comment about an article you didn't even read, referencing my words that you didn't even comprehend, and stuck your foot in your mouth while defending your dear leader.

At this point, some of you people defend this man like he is some sort of deity or political leader. It's insane. You can't even bring yourselves to admit he is a horrible coach. By the numbers. By the eye test. By the roster management. By his ability to keep young players under his thumb. By most measurable things, he is NOT a good coach. He is turning out to be WORSE than Derek Dooley. If he stays long enough (God help us), he will eclipse Derek Dooley is most ways. He already has actually. Derek Dooley never got shut out at home 41-0....

 

[tastycar]

I actually said "40% of your TOP players". As in, your best, the ones that count, the jewels of your classes, etc. As in, the 2014, 2015 recruiting classes...

The 2014-2015 classes were the ones everyone touts as evidence that he is the next Urban Meyer of recruiting. But the point is, his recruiting ability is a paper tiger. Yes. He brings them in. But they don't stay. So what is the point of bragging that he is an excellent recruiter?

He also signs these large classes with like 4-5 four star players, and maybe 1 five star. Then loads up with 3 stars to add shear numbers to pump the class up. But then the 4 and 5 star players transfer out or get kicked off. Leaving the majority of our roster full of 3 stars.

He is the epitome of a used car salesman.

You're mad because you came on here throwing out a comment about an article you didn't even read, referencing my words that you didn't even comprehend, and stuck your foot in your mouth while defending your dear leader.

At this point, some of you people defend this man like he is some sort of deity or political leader. It's insane. You can't even bring yourselves to admit he is a horrible coach. By the numbers. By the eye test. By the roster management. By his ability to keep young players under his thumb. By most measurable things, he is NOT a good coach. He is turning out to be WORSE than Derek Dooley. If he stays long enough (God help us), he will eclipse Derek Dooley is most ways. He already has actually. Derek Dooley never got shut out at home 41-0....

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