Bryce Brown isn't going anywhere

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therickbol said:
You are going to say, with a straight face, that because Bryce Brown was from Kansas Prince did not recruit him and did not want him at Kansas State? Seriously? He did not want the #1 player in the country just because he lived in Kansas.
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Not at all. Of course Prince wanted him. For some reason or another, Prince managed to get on Brian Butler's bad side. That made the Brown brothers, Chris Harper, and many other top Kansas recruits not want to give KSU a chance. Chris Harper was committed to KSU until Snyder left, and somehow Prince managed to burn a bridge with Harper so he bolted for Oregon.

Since Snyder has come back, we have had (2) two 4-star and (1) one 5-star Kansas high school recruits transfer from another college to Kansas State.

I distinctly remember sitting at a KSU basketball game when Arthur and Bryce were watching with Prince thinking how awesome it would be to get those two guys.
 
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#52
#52
BB will obviously do whatever he wants. But there are many good reasons to believe he won't transfer or if he does it won't be to K-State.

One as already mentioned is that it could delay his entry into the NFL. He will have missed a year of proving himself draft worthy.

Second, he'll get much less exposure. As far as I know, KSU didn't play a single game with a national audience this past year. They got some regional coverage from Fox Sports I believe. OTOH, even a mediocre UT team played on National TV vs UCLA, UF, Bama, UGA, USC, Auburn, Ole Miss, and even UK IIRC. The ESPN contract makes a huge difference. In any given year, UT could play as many as 9 or 10 games in front of a national audience. K-State struggles to get the FSMW game of the week.

Third, Snyder is a stop gap at best. He will not be there long term. The staff under him does not compare to even the one Dooley assembled.

Finally, the Big12 North has continued to get smacked around by the South. That does not appear to be changing any time soon except for maybe Nebraska. I live in MO. There's a huge difference between what is acceptable to MU, KU, or KSU and what's acceptable at UT or even Nebraska. Mizzou fans are pretty well satisfied to "compete". KSU fans are a little less accepting but not to the degree of most SEC programs.

If BB goes to KSU... it will not be to win championships. KSU will not likely catch up with the Big12 South any time soon. Worse yet, Pelini is getting Nebraska's act back together. The Huskers are on the verge of becoming dominant in the North.
 
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sjt18 said:
BB will obviously do whatever he wants. But there are many good reasons to believe he won't transfer or if he does it won't be to K-State.

One as already mentioned is that it could delay his entry into the NFL. He will have missed a year of proving himself draft worthy.

Second, he'll get much less exposure. As far as I know, KSU didn't play a single game with a national audience this past year. They got some regional coverage from Fox Sports I believe. OTOH, even a mediocre UT team played on National TV vs UCLA, UF, Bama, UGA, USC, Auburn, Ole Miss, and even UK IIRC. The ESPN contract makes a huge difference. In any given year, UT could play as many as 9 or 10 games in front of a national audience. K-State struggles to get the FSMW game of the week.

Third, Snyder is a stop gap at best. He will not be there long term. The staff under him does not compare to even the one Dooley assembled.

Finally, the Big12 North has continued to get smacked around by the South. That does not appear to be changing any time soon except for maybe Nebraska. I live in MO. There's a huge difference between what is acceptable to MU, KU, or KSU and what's acceptable at UT or even Nebraska. Mizzou fans are pretty well satisfied to "compete". KSU fans are a little less accepting but not to the degree of most SEC programs.

If BB goes to KSU... it will not be to win championships. KSU will not likely catch up with the Big12 South any time soon. Worse yet, Pelini is getting Nebraska's act back together. The Huskers are on the verge of becoming dominant in the North.
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Nothing will delay his entry into the NFL if he leaves early. Otherwise, it can be considered an extra year to get faster and stronger.

Believe it or not, KSU is in Big 12 North contention title. Obviously that's not saying much given the strength of the B12N, but winning it gives the North team a chance to compete for the B12 Title (which has not been won by a north team since KSU's 35-7 win over then undefeated OU in 2003).

The 2010 football season will be Pelini's "prove it" year. If their offense plays at the level they did last year, they will not make it to the Big 12 Championship. I see their defense being good, but nothing compared to last year (NU lost 5 of their top 6 tacklers on Defense).

If Bryce were to transfer, the only place he would go would be to K-State.

Also, I agree that Snyder is Old Balls. He however shocked a lot of people this past football season (even KSU fans) by being one game short of a Big 12 North title. I don't see him being at KSU for no more than 5 more years, but who knows. Joe P. is still scooting his feet along the sidelines.
 
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WildcatNK said:
Nothing will delay his entry into the NFL if he leaves early. Otherwise, it can be considered an extra year to get faster and stronger.
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Rules wise- no. Practically- yes. If he had been a major impact as a Fr then you might have a point. But frankly, he wasn't anything special as a Freshman. It is my personal opinion that he was favored by Kiffin for recruiting impact rather than because he separated himself from the other RB's.

IMHO, Poole showed much more of the skills it takes to be a good SEC RB than BB did.

Believe it or not, KSU is in Big 12 North contention title.
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The problem there is that BB is all too aware of the fact that you all lost your all or nothing game this year... It is pretty sad when a win puts you in the CG while a loss leaves you ineligible for a bowl.

The 2010 football season will be Pelini's "prove it" year. If their offense plays at the level they did last year, they will not make it to the Big 12 Championship. I see their defense being good, but nothing compared to last year (NU lost 5 of their top 6 tacklers on Defense).
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I really thought Colorado would make a move after their coaching change. But NU is really the only team right now that looks like a mover. I would just as soon it be K-State. I have friend that graduated from there... but I just don't see it regardless of what Brown does.

If Bryce were to transfer, the only place he would go would be to K-State.
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It would not surprise me in the least to see him at USC. I know they have a deep roster at RB... I also know how effective CLK is at convincing people of promises that he really isn't completely committed to.

Also, I agree that Snyder is Old Balls. He however shocked a lot of people this past football season (even KSU fans) by being one game short of a Big 12 North title. I don't see him being at KSU for no more than 5 more years, but who knows. Joe P. is still scooting his feet along the sidelines.
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No comparison. Snyder can't survive as a figure head. JoPa is barely coherent. In some of his interviews, it sounded like he had slept through parts of the game.
 
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The problem there is that BB is all too aware of the fact that you all lost your all or nothing game this year... It is pretty sad when a win puts you in the CG while a loss leaves you ineligible for a bowl.
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I'm sure he is aware. I would also hope he would be aware that we were picked to be 2nd to last and last in preseason Big 12 rankings. Old Balls (Bill Snyder) did an amazing job with the crap Ron Prince left him. Not to mention our starting QB was a 6th year transfer who couldn't throw a ball farther than 40 yds. Would have been interesting to see what our potential could have been if Freeman didn't bolt for the NFL.

I also can see why people would think that Bryce would transfer to USC. However, I think their relationship was tarnished after Kiffin left. This same thing happened when Huggins left KSU (after 1 year of coaching) for West Virginia in basketball. The players were pissed (Walker, Beasley specifically) yet they remained at Kansas State when Huggins was trying to get them to go to West Virginia.
 
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VolsRule said:
Is this official?
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The only credible information out there is that Bryce Brown is at UT attending his classes and training with the team. He is ready for Spring practice and is expected to compete for the starting RB spot.

All this is 100% true and the only legit info out there.
 
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Lord Vader said:
Hubbs is squashing the Douglas and Brown rumors as fast as he can. Some notes from Hubbs:

- there has been no indication that Bryce is going anywhere

- it has been confirmed that Brown has attended all workouts and will be going through Spring practice

- Bryce was around the complex Saturday helping with the Junior Day activities

Dude is a Vol.
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What a difference a week makes
 
#61
#61
Brown should have announced this a long time ago, so Dooley could recruit more RBs! Kiffin can have him---hit the road!
 
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tvolsfan said:
This situation seems so depressing. The only thing that makes me feel better is to think that if Bama could come out of a far worse situation, UT can do the same.
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Yep. Many teams have been here. Its rough, and it could get worse. But we KNOW it WILL get better. I'm 23 so by the time I'm 28-30 and can afford to attend more games we should be winning.
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Orangekush423 said:
Yep. Many teams have been here. Its rough, and it could get worse. But we KNOW it WILL get better. I'm 23 so by the time I'm 28-30 and can afford to attend more games we should be winning.
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I could use some kush with the way the last couple seasons have gone. :eek:lol:
 
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tvolsfan said:
This situation seems so depressing. The only thing that makes me feel better is to think that if Bama could come out of a far worse situation, UT can do the same.
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Bama hired Nick Saban, a little different don't you think, a proven coach who had already won a NC
 
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tvolsfan said:
They hired him on what, the 6th try? This is only number 2. We have time before we hit Bama awful.
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It can happen quickly, and can be turned around quickly, there just aren't many Sabans out there right now. Maybe DD will be the one, he had a good teacher in Saban, but will fans be patient enough?
 
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SOS22 said:
It can happen quickly, and can be turned around quickly, there just aren't many Sabans out there right now. Maybe DD will be the one, he had a good teacher in Saban, but will fans be patient enough?
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We'll give him his chance. If I know this fanbase, we'll probably give him more than he deserves. I guess we'll see.
 
#75
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Hubbs is not perfect and has been wrong before. If he doesn't think BB not showing up for the first day of spring practice is a clear sign he has some problems, then Hubbs is not paying attention. Dooley clearly admitted BB came to him and is dealing with some issues. I will be surprised if BB ever touches the ball again on the hill.
 
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