Bryce Brown decision (merged)

[utmba93]

Scoring machine had to invoke the Einstein scale just to post a score. It's enormous.

BOP1 should be awarded VN's first ever Dominate Guru status and immediately be given the privilege for unlimited posting thereafter.

 

[TylerD]

I believe it is the coaches decision to keep them on scholarship. I am not 100% positive, but I know that Tyrone Prothro was kept on scholarship until he graduated from Alabama and he only played through some of his sophomore season.


Edit: never mind I just researched it and Prothro was placed on a medical hardship scholarship. I still think it depends on whether or not the coach wants to remove them from the football roster.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I believe it is the coaches decision to keep them on scholarship. I am not 100% positive, but I know that Tyrone Prothro was kept on scholarship until he graduated from Alabama and he only played through some of his sophomore season.

but that was an injury issue and all schools honor scholarships in that instance.

 

[utmba93]

but that was an injury issue and all schools honor scholarships in that instance.

Did he also get to keep the revenues 'earned' from his textbook sales? Not all schools offer that.

 

[TNsnyper20]

If BB stays I will be happy,but If he leaves I'm not gonna lay down and cry considering our RB roster is solid. I have enough faith in Poole, Oku, and Neal that I think we will be fine. BB is talented but Jesus Christ be a man and make a choice...

 

[utmba93]

If BB stays I will be happy,but If he leaves I'm not gonna lay down and cry considering our RB roster is solid. I have enough faith in Poole, Oku, and Neal that I think we will be fine. BB is talented but Jesus Christ be a man and make a choice...

This thread is on a do loop.

 

[J-P]

We gave a coach with a losing record in the WAC 4 times what he was making and you're worried about BB's scholly costing too much?

Yep. I'm not worried about CDD... at least not yet. I like what I see him doing so far, recognize the limitations he had to work under on his previous job and the differences between it and now (better coaches, better recruits, better facilities, etc.) and I'm fine with a wait and see attitude.

 

[arTfuldodger]

Jesus gave us free will, don't blame him. And I've stayed away from this thread, but I heard on the radio he's in Kansas @ the moment. Bet he doesn't step foot in Knoxville again.
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[J-P]

This thread is on a do loop.

Until (BB <> silent) or (BB = practicing w/ team) or (BB = transferred)...

 

[utmba93]

Until (BB <> silent) or (BB = practicing w/ team) or (BB = transferred)...

I'd say that's a logical forecast.

 

[Tenacious D]

First of all, the word is "dominant". Second of all, Brown didn't begin this process after Spring, so the performance of Tauren Poole has not driven him away.

Perhaps Brown is just upset he won't be able to work with the staff to which he originally committed and watched turn career nobodys into NFL draft picks.

Would you stop throwing facts and reason out like that? What did you score on the SAT, anyway?

 

[Hobock]

Jesus gave us free will, don't blame him. And I've stayed away from this thread, but I heard on the radio he's in Kansas @ the moment. Bet he doesn't step foot in Knoxville again.
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Kush, he's a very talented back but I don't think we need this guy on campus.

He's a drama queen. We don't need another cancer in the locker room. Poole has EARNED the job. I'll take the guy who has fought for that starting spot over a guy that seems to have issues.

In BB's defense, I couldn't imagine how jaded I'd feel if the coach who promised me the world, bailed out on me. We certainly don't want an in-depth look into the former regime's recruiting practices.

Goodbye and goodluck to Bryce Brown.
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[crusse10]

bro made clear the 47 other times he made this exact error that it was just a typo and posted his SAT score. How did you miss it? It was so damn large that it invaded every thread I've seen since.

He took the SAT?

 

[BigPapaVol]

He took the SAT?

absolutely crushed it. I mean, you'd have to hit it out of the park to be bolstering arguments with it on a message board, no?

 

[justingroves]

Scoring machine had to invoke the Einstein scale just to post a score. It's enormous.

So you're saying he's a dominate SAT scorer?

 

[DC Vol]

Yep. Damn him. He should have taken his injured hip and rammed that WKU guy into the turf to get the one extra yard. That was going to be the difference in that game.

Eddie Gran certainly didn't appreciate that attitude. That same staff that ate him up over it (as you said later in this thread) turns guys into NFL draft picks. Staffs expectations: If he's on the field, he's going to give them 110%. Stepping out of bounds, giving way to a CB who you outweigh by 30 lbs. easily, is not 110%. I can't remember Gran's comments, and GVX didn't have them up anymore, but he said something along the lines of "That's not how Tennessee runs the ball" in addition to commenting on how BB constantly tried to get to the outside and danced around between the tackles.

And I'm with you in taking BB's stats with a grain of salt given his hip injury... just saying that BB didn't make the most of every single carry he was given in his FR year.

 

[crusse10]

Did he get a 1502? That'll get him into Stansbury

 

[sjt18]

Brown isn't running from competition. That whole notion is absurd in the extreme.

His situation appears to have many factors but the biggest ones seem to be CLK's departure and DD's refusal to follow through on some promises and his desire to be closer to home and with his brother.

In his situation, I don't think I'd leave UT for K-State... but I'm not him.

 

[MDBJJC]

Did he get a 1502? That'll get him into Stansbury

Jesse Spano would be jealous fo sho.

 

[crusse10]

Jesse Spano would be jealous fo sho.

But it'll sure impress Stacey Carosi...

 

[Sabanocchio]

Yes I saw him... and no he didn't to pretty much everything else. I remember several times when he had the corner with a one on one blocker in front of him and still managed to tackle himself.

See, I figured you did. That's why your review of his play is so baffling to me. I mean, there were certainly points last year where you could see that his hip was limiting him, but he was still better than Oku or Poole even at 85%.

I NEVER recall watching him see a hole, plant his foot, and make an SEC level cut. I do remember him several times lunging into the backs of the OL.

I understand. I cannot recall everything that happened last season either. I do remember Brown sticking his foot in the mud and making some cuts that few others can make though.

Again, I think he has great upside talent but his RB skills need serious work.

Of course he needs to work on getting better, but "serious" work? Not IMO. I honestly think that you are letting the off-the-field stuff cloud how good Brown actually looked last year.

Fans of opposing teams consistently said after our games that Bryce scared them and that he is going to be good. It's crazy to me that a biased fan can see the obvious yet some that claim to be die-hard fans cannot.

Not unless he develops his skills. He isn't close to that level right now and wasn't last fall. Had he been that good, MH wouldn't have seen 282 carries much less 1000 yards. There is NOTHING that would have played into CLK's plan better than having BB with 280 carries and 1000 yds.
again, of course he needs to further develop his skills. There is only one reason Hardesty played so damn much last year and it is because Hardesty was playing out of his mind.

Kiffin would be an idiot to cut into Hardesty's carries to give more to basically anyone. That's not a concept that is unique to that particular coaching staff.

BB avg'd 4.55 ypc overall which sounds great until you look deeper. He avg'd less than 4 ypc against the SEC, teams with a winning record, and ranked teams.

If you consider many of his yds vs Ole Miss came in mop up, it gets even worse.

He's big and he's fast. That got him yards against lesser opponents and one big run vs So Car. Without that 37 yd run... he's again under 4 ypc.

For him to become a superstar, he MUST improve his vision, cutting, tackle breaking, patience,... pretty much everything.

As far as his YPC being lower against good teams, well, DUH! Come on now. That's not even worth the time you took to type it. You don't take away the 37 yard run. You don't do that. Are you going to take away all of the times he was stuffed at the line? You cannot change the facts to suit your argument, sj. You gotta stick with what you have. Anyway there is nothing wrong with a 4 ypc, or slightly under, average. Especially for a freshman back.

I don't know for sure if he was or wasn't because the guy who might have been his competition wasn't given enough chances to make a comparison. Like I said though, if he was then Poole was not very good.

Poole wasn't very good last year. He wasn't impressive in Spring (Toney Williams actually outshined him) or fall. Of course it is all but obvious a spot was promised to he and Oku, and I'm not sure it mattered what Poole did.

 

[kptvol]

Eddie Gran certainly didn't appreciate that attitude. That same staff that ate him up over it (as you said later in this thread) turns guys into NFL draft picks. Staffs expectations: If he's on the field, he's going to give them 110%. Stepping out of bounds, giving way to a CB who you outweigh by 30 lbs. easily, is not 110%. I can't remember Gran's comments, and GVX didn't have them up anymore, but he said something along the lines of "That's not how Tennessee runs the ball" in addition to commenting on how BB constantly tried to get to the outside and danced around between the tackles.

And I'm with you in taking BB's stats with a grain of salt given his hip injury... just saying that BB didn't make the most of every single carry he was given in his FR year.

The coaching staff did get on him about it. But implying that Tauren Poole is some legendary hero with his 12 carries last year and Bryce is a little girl because he ran out of bounds on a meaningless carry just doesn't fly.

 

[NEO]

Jesse Spano would be jealous fo sho.

I'm just glad Zack was able to get her off the uppers. That's what good friends are for.

Remember kids, just say no.

 

[sjt18]

Anyway there is nothing wrong with a 4 ypc, or slightly under, average. Especially for a freshman back.

By that rule, Poole's 8.5 ypc was all world, right? Remember, you can't parse the stats... you gotta stick with what you have.

Poole wasn't very good last year. He wasn't impressive in Spring (Toney Williams actually outshined him) or fall. Of course it is all but obvious a spot was promised to he and Oku, .

The article I cited earlier directly contradicts the idea that Poole wasn't very good. Everything he did in every game opportunity he got contradicts what you wrote. He didn't get enough opportunities for me to say he's a great or even good RB. But the brief glimpses looked good and reports sounded good.

IIRC in the 2009 spring camp, Poole went over 80 yds and 4 ypc in the O&W game running against UT's #1 D.

According to UTSports, he led the O in one of the scrimmages with over 80 yards on 11 carries and over 80 on 14 carries in the other. Again, working primarily as MH's back up against the 1st D.

Unfortunately, he only got three carries when they meant something to the outcome of the game... and he went 3 for 15 against a Va Tech D that smothered UT's O all day otherwise.

and I'm not sure it mattered what Poole did

This is truth standing all by itself. It didn't matter what Poole did... Kiffin was going to play his guys and in particular Brown.

Look, I'm not saying it was bad strategy if your governing philosophy is that the ends justify the means. If it means nothing when you talk about competition and every position being open... then you do what you have to do.

Brown played and had decent stats. As far as any RB recruit was concerned, they were being recruited to be his running mate. I am sure that CLK sold this to every recruit at every position- "See what Brown and Jackson did? That's you next fall."

JJ's play WAS up to the hype. I'm sorry but Brown's wasn't.

 

[DC Vol]

The coaching staff did get on him about it. But implying that Tauren Poole is some legendary hero with his 12 carries last year and Bryce is a little girl because he ran out of bounds on a meaningless carry just doesn't fly.

That's not at all what I said or was even implying. I'll quote directly from what I said earlier I'm guessing you jumped right over in your rush to form a conclusion:

And I'm with you in taking BB's stats with a grain of salt given his hip injury... just saying that BB didn't make the most of every single carry he was given in his FR year.

Basically, I think it's a mentality difference. BB is having a bit of a time adjusting to, in a lot of ways, a completely different game. Gran spoke quite a bit about him (and I'm quoting off of memory, but this quote is the jist of it) when he said "this isn't Kansas anymore. Bryce can't just turn the corner and run for 80 yards any more. He's going to have to pick up those tough yards."

It's easily seen that Poole made the most of every single carry he got and Brown didn't. If he was... he wouldn't have ducked out of bounds. I saw Gran's forehead vein about to burst from all the way up in ZZ.

No one can make a point that Poole is in Brown's category in a raw talent aspect. Brown has NFL RB size and speed as a HS Senior. That's incredibly rare. He did, however, show reluctance in hitting holes between the tackles and physically earning extra yards at the end of runs. Poole will never be flashy, nor will he outrun an SEC defense for a long TD run. He isn't anything of the receiving threat out of the backfield, yada yada yada. But Poole has, unquestionably, bust his a$$ for UT since he's been here.


Plus, Tauren is an awesome name.