Bryce Brown decision (merged)

Will Bryce Brown return to play (be listed on a gameday roster) for Tennessee?

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#351
#351
thebjd said:
and the last coaching staff. He was #2 on the depth chart for a reason. I guess we will get the conspiracy against Poole crowd now so I will just agree to disagree with some of you.
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C'mon, unless there was someone much better than Brown, the smart move for Kiffin is to play him as the #2. You can't preach playing time as your recruiting pitch and bury the #1 overall recruit in the depth chart. That doesn't necessarily mean he's better than the guys behind him.
 
#352
#352
Smokefatty said:
Never said Poole is better than Brown. I think Richardson is miles better than Brown though.

I just don't understand what about last year's performance would lead anyone to think that Brown was so much better than Poole. Brown got plenty of touches and looked okay, Poole never really got a chance.

I would like to see Brown back because I do believe he is either our #1 or #2 back if he's here.
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I just don't think there is enough to make a determination that Brown is miles behind Richardson. Richardson was better than Brown last year but Ingram was better than Hardesty and Bama was better than Tennessee. They have a college career to find out who is better. I just assumed you were one of the Poole is the best back since Bo Jackson posters.
 
#354
#354
Smokefatty said:
Richardson shredded Florida and Texas, Brown crapped his pants against the good teams and shredded the WKUs of the country. Try watching the guys play maybe.
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This post is laughable, I think running behind 2 former Walk on rag dolls and a converted TE against Bama and FL's DLines is a little different that Trent running behind a veteren Oline against FL and Texas.

Compare Brown's stats to a 2nd round NFL selection that was running behind the same Oline and they are pretty similar...and he was only 18...given 3 more years to develop I am confident that Brown would be one of the best backs in TN history.
 
#356
#356
compare the video of bryce brown running the ball against any of the mentioned backs and he was clearly inferior.
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#357
#357
utvolpj said:
a few of TR's biggest games were against FIU, N Texas and UTC (actually 35% of his season total).
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True. My point was that TR also did it against 2 of the best teams in the country. BB did not get it done against anybody decent. I believe WKU, Ohio and Memphis accounted for about 50% of BB's yards.

Sorry, I'm just a little surprised that anyone would bother arguing BB has comparable ability to TR as a running back.
 
#359
#359
Smokefatty said:
True. My point was that TR also did it against 2 of the best teams in the country. BB did not get it done against anybody decent. I believe WKU, Ohio and Memphis accounted for about 50% of BB's yards.

Sorry, I'm just a little surprised that anyone would bother arguing BB has comparable ability to TR as a running back.
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you still fail to even look at the OL factor between UT and bama. You might want to take your own advice and "Try watching the guys play maybe. " (and by guys I mean the OL)
 
#360
#360
Do you guys also remember Bryce was playing with a hip injury all year. Lets see what happens when he is healthy all year. He could be very effective catching the ball, he is faster then Poole to
 
#361
#361
BigOrangePassion1 said:
compare the video of bryce brown running the ball against any of the mentioned backs and he was clearly inferior.
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It wasn't Brown who was caught from behind by a WKU DB on what should have been a touchdown on the last play of the game.
 
#362
#362
Ericvol2096 said:
This post is laughable, I think running behind 2 former Walk on rag dolls and a converted TE against Bama and FL's DLines is a little different that Trent running behind a veteren Oline against FL and Texas.

Compare Brown's stats to a 2nd round NFL selection that was running behind the same Oline and they are pretty similar...and he was only 18...given 3 more years to develop I am confident that Brown would be one of the best backs in TN history.
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That only thing laughable is that you have to look at stats as the basis of your opinion? Can't you make your evaluation based on what you see actually watching games? Since you brought it up though: Hardesty 187 - 857, 4.6 YPC against SEC competition, Brown 55 - 211, 3.8 YPC. Not great or similar for Brown.
 
#363
#363
I hope BB comes back just to see how many people bashing him on here will instantly do a 180 and try to retract everything they've said about him.
 
#366
#366
thebjd said:
I just don't think there is enough to make a determination that Brown is miles behind Richardson. Richardson was better than Brown last year but Ingram was better than Hardesty and Bama was better than Tennessee. They have a college career to find out who is better. I just assumed you were one of the Poole is the best back since Bo Jackson posters.
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I just noticed we were arguing different points. Sorry.

I'm saying we are in a world of hurt at RB even if BB comes back. I'm of the opinion that Oku and Williams aren't ready to contribute at RB, so it would be nice to have two choices that may be decent next year.

Right now, hoping Rajion Neal is as good as advertised.
 
#367
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Fatty, what were TR's stats against SEC D's?

with talent he had around him they had better be significantly better to prove your point that their is no way you can say Brown is as good as TR.
 
#368
#368
utvolpj said:
you still fail to even look at the OL factor between UT and bama. You might want to take your own advice and "Try watching the guys play maybe. " (and by guys I mean the OL)
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I'm not ignoring that at all. I recognize that there was a big difference in OLs. Both guys had enough carries to see them run with good and bad blocking. Richardson, to me, showed much better power and cutting ability (and good speed). His vision seemed much better also, but the OL factor is significant in making some guys' vision look better than others.
 
#369
#369
Smokefatty said:
I just noticed we were arguing different points. Sorry.

I'm saying we are in a world of hurt at RB even if BB comes back. I'm of the opinion that Oku and Williams aren't ready to contribute at RB, so it would be nice to have two choices that may be decent next year.

Right now, hoping Rajion Neal is as good as advertised.
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PS I totally agree with you here.
 
#370
#370
Smokefatty said:
I'm not ignoring that at all. I recognize that there was a big difference in OLs. Both guys had enough carries to see them run with good and bad blocking. Richardson, to me, showed much better power and cutting ability (and good speed). His vision seemed much better also, but the OL factor is significant in making some guys' vision look better than others.
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Exactly, and Bryce didn't see very many big holes against SEC D's. Hardesty had much more power than Brown and could churn out more YAC than BB could (considering MH had 4 years in S&C and BB had a couple months I think that is fair.)

And since Bryce didn't get many big holes against SEC D's we never really got to see him turn on the jets...

I really think you may be underestimating him.
 
#371
#371
Smokefatty said:
I'm not ignoring that at all. I recognize that there was a big difference in OLs. Both guys had enough carries to see them run with good and bad blocking. Richardson, to me, showed much better power and cutting ability (and good speed). His vision seemed much better also, but the OL factor is significant in making some guys' vision look better than others.
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My opinion is not really based on stats. I threw that out there because it was mentioned that BB and MH were similar. However,

TR: 88 - 367, 4.2 YPC significantly better

That is, of course, ignoring the giant elephant in the room that is the MNC game against one of the best defenses in the country.

I wonder if this point would even be argued in any non-UT forum in the nation.
 
#372
#372
Ericvol2096 said:
Exactly, and Bryce didn't see very many big holes against SEC D's. Hardesty had much more power than Brown and could churn out more YAC than BB could (considering MH had 4 years in S&C and BB had a couple months I think that is fair.)

And since Bryce didn't get many big holes against SEC D's we never really got to see him turn on the jets...

I really think you may be underestimating him.
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Quite possibly. I just didn't see much from him to get excited about last year. I'm bearish on our RB situation right now whether he comes back or not. I know there is a lot of speculation that his injury was worse than was made public, so maybe he's better than what I saw.
 
#373
#373
SGMVols said:
It wasn't Brown who was caught from behind by a WKU DB on what should have been a touchdown on the last play of the game.
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Right... Brown was the one who consistently couldn't find cutback lanes and holes but did consistently run up blockers backs.

FTR, is there a rule written somewhere that WKU can have no fast players?

Poole has pretty consistently run away from UT's secondary in practice. That would seem to indicate that he has "enough" speed.
 
#374
#374
sjt18 said:
Right... Brown was the one who consistently couldn't find cutback lanes and holes but did consistently run up blockers backs.

FTR, is there a rule written somewhere that WKU can have no fast players?

Poole has pretty consistently run away from UT's secondary in practice. That would seem to indicate that he has "enough" speed.
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He better run away from them because a cornerback blew him up in the O&W game. I would like to have both Brown and Poole if I could choose.
 
#375
#375
Ericvol2096 said:
And since Bryce didn't get many big holes against SEC D's we never really got to see him turn on the jets...

I really think you may be underestimating him.
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It is NOT underestimating BB to say he never planted his foot and made an SEC level cut after demonstrating SEC level vision. I remember several occasions when all he would have had to do is set up a block on the edge then cut off the blocker's other hip to get in the clear. Instead... he runs up their back.

I hope he stays. I hope he learns to use that God given ability. But he was NOT an SEC level RB last year. Not even close.
 
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