Brussels Terrorist Attack

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Aesius said:
So it was 10 percent, then it was 8 percent, and now it's 1 percent.

Yeah, great point guys. Keep pulling numbers out your asses based on scientific studies...like seeing the ramblings of a few lunatics on Twitter.
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I don't believe I ever said 10%. So I don't know where you're getting that. I said 8% as a number that wouldn't shock me. 1% would be not at all surprising.

In none of this am I saying with any scientific proof that certain percentages equate to anything. I'm just saying what wouldn't surprise me.

I would not be shocked if 1% of white Americans were at least not 100% against the death of a Muslim civilian in the Middle East, because of how people on VN talk and how people on Twitter talk, following attacks (or just on an every day basis).
 
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n_huffhines said:
That's not what I'm saying at all. What are you talking about?
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how we got into this mess is another argument. but as it we at war with RADICAL islam. There are very few proven ways to truly protect oneself while at war. maybe the best way is to make sure if you have to fight that you fight in their land and not yours. that way any collateral, from either side, doesn't weaken you.

basically it is far more preferable, 'better' has bad connotations in this case, to fight over there with drones than to have the fight here with suicide bombers.

not talking right or wrong, but war. in this case war over there is self defense. imo, of course.
 
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hog88 said:
Depends on the government. Fiji declaring war on us wouldn't be much of a cause for concern.
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I'm not talking about threat levels, I'm talking about the nature of the threat. A government is an opponent you can defeat. There are beginnings and ends to war with opposing governments. Terror is a tactic, it's not an enemy. The war on terror won't have an end. It will always be a threat, and we are not able to reduce the threat. It appears the last 40 years have made things worse.
 
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2ez2dv8 said:
Militant Islam had declared a holy war on the world
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n_huffhines said:
OK, but that's still a far different problem than a government declaring war on us. It's not comparable.
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2ez2dv8 said:
Far different? Not Comparable? Absolutely, it's a whole new dynamic. They've no sovereign country or territory to invade. Like rats or roaches that appear from wherever inflict damage and casualties and then just as quickly disappear back into the woodwork of society
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n_huffhines said:
Straw man
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This is why I said it is convenient. They wage war, and disappear back into their communities, and 'no one sees or knows anything'. Not at all a straw man. You choose to ignore the obvious. Their "religious" leadership is complicit by turning a blind eye. But then again, I am sure it is possible for them to know absolutely nothing about their congregation.
 
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And nope, ISIS hasn't declared war on the Western World at all. It's not like they literally just released this statement:

We promise the countries taking part in the coalition against the Islamic State that they will see black days in response to their aggression against the Islamic State," the statement said. "What's yet to come is worse and more bitter."
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SpaceCoastVol said:
This is why I said it is convenient. They wage war, and disappear back into their communities, and 'no one sees or knows anything'. Not at all a straw man. You choose to ignore the obvious. Their "religious" leadership is complicit by turning a blind eye. But then again, I am sure it is possible for them to know absolutely nothing about their congregation.
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The straw man was that he was implying I disagree with the idea that ISIS has declared war on the world. I don't really care about that for the purposes of this discussion. ISIS is not a government. That is the point. We can defeat governments. We can't use our military to defeat beliefs and ideas.
 
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We need boots on the ground and combined with aerial power and our allies, we need to kill every man woman and child connected to ISIS.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The straw man was that he was implying I disagree with the idea that ISIS has declared war on the world. I don't really care about that for the purposes of this discussion. ISIS is not a government. That is the point. We can defeat governments. We can't use our military to defeat beliefs and ideas.
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I'll give you that. That is why the holders of those beliefs and ideas must die. This will never end. What I do find somewhat amazing is that a relatively few number of *******s are able to inflict so much damage. The locals have to stop protecting them or this will go on forever.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm not talking about threat levels, I'm talking about the nature of the threat. A government is an opponent you can defeat. There are beginnings and ends to war with opposing governments. Terror is a tactic, it's not an enemy. The war on terror won't have an end. It will always be a threat, and we are not able to reduce the threat. It appears the last 40 years have made things worse.
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Terror tactics have been used in almost every war fought in the 20th century by governments and partisans alike, it can be defeated. However to defeat the brand of radical islamo fascist terrorism we see will take brutal measures. Just leaving them alone and abandoning the region will do nothing but embolden them.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
This is why I said it is convenient. They wage war, and disappear back into their communities, and 'no one sees or knows anything'. Not at all a straw man. You choose to ignore the obvious. Their "religious" leadership is complicit by turning a blind eye. But then again, I am sure it is possible for them to know absolutely nothing about their congregation.
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Do you go into Mosques and talk to the leaders and use air quotes when discussing Islam's legitimacy as a religion? Or is VolNation your safe space?
 
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hog88 said:
Terror tactics have been used in almost every war fought in the 20th century by governments and partisans alike, it can be defeated. However to defeat the brand of radical islamo fascist terrorism we see will take brutal measures. Just leaving them alone and abandoning the region will do nothing but embolden them.
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This emboldens them. It's how they recruit and keep their numbers up, despite how many terrorists we blow up.
 
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Another question that arises is how president Cankles will be received in the mooslim world since she is so pro Israel.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The straw man was that he was implying I disagree with the idea that ISIS has declared war on the world. I don't really care about that for the purposes of this discussion. ISIS is not a government. That is the point. We can defeat governments. We can't use our military to defeat beliefs and ideas.
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So what do you propose we do, then? I'm interested to know the prevailing solution for the problem of Islamic terrorism among liberals.

Do we need to be nicer to them? Bring them over en mass and set them up with cushy jobs? Just ignore them, like kids are taught to ignore bullies at school? Allow them to begin establishing a caliphate, starting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?
 
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