Bruce Feldman gets it.

[JayVols]

Lord... no other coach in the world would have came here in that mess... seriously, we're still having to play true freshman! When we get to actually start red shirting players, and we have some true depth, and he still isn't winning... I'll pull out my pitchfork... until then, just remember, this program still has a year or 2 before we're a top 10 even if Vince Lombardi was coaching.

"Why do you say such things?"

 

[SWIL]

I can see the Vols putting Bama on the ropes like UGA, losing, then winning out (beating USCjr for Dooley's first signature win).

 

[BeecherVol]

If he was being hired at Georgia, then yeah I would say it was because of his father. But Dooley had the backing of Saban all the way, which undoubtedly helped. Hamilton being not so bright didn't help either.

Yeah. Short of you telling Saban to piss off after you part ways Im sure like many coaches he's willing to help guys catch on at places. Im sure he has helped a lot of his other assistants do the same.

Hamilton was on his way out at the time.

 

[cd12]

Well Dooley has served his purpose then. Came in and saved the face of the program, recruited some good athletes back onto the roster, and has made the job more attractive than when he got here. It is an excellent opportunity for a HC with a strong X and O skills to come in here and get us over the hump that Dooley can't....as his HC record has proven as a whole.

However we didn't ignore who hired him. The credible coaches used him to get a raise....We were HAMstrung at the time.

 

[BigPapaVol]

No. But I do not contend that life is fair.

He took a tremendous risk. If he fails then his career will either be cut off or set back years.

Of course he deserves "sympathy" and I said nothing about any handouts.

If you really don't think so then maybe you will get to face a similar situation in your career some day... your job on the line with virtually everything stacked against you. IF you have not faced that then you have no conception of how difficult it is.

tremendous risk? good grief. you've been teetering on the edge of ludicrous for a while with calling the roster over the past 3 seasons useless, all the while ignoring repeated errors and lack of fundamentals (which a less talented team has to rely upon), but this is over the top ridiculous. We have a guy a 400% pay raise and the keys to a historic football program when he barely merited the job he had. His risk is going to make him well over $10 million and there are plenty of idiots buying into the crap you're preaching about talent being his downfall, as opposed to the locker room and fundamentals issues.

 

[cd12]

No. But I do not contend that life is fair.

He took a tremendous risk. If he fails then his career will either be cut off or set back years.

Of course he deserves "sympathy" and I said nothing about any handouts.

If you really don't think so then maybe you will get to face a similar situation in your career some day... your job on the line with virtually everything stacked against you. IF you have not faced that then you have no conception of how difficult it is.

but he stood to make what? 10 mil for his failure..big leap.

 

[JAllen18]

I think Hart knows that by the end of the year an 8-4 or 7-5 record in the 3rd year just won't cut it. However, we are pretty much forced to let Dooley continue with his 4th year unless, we can get Gruden or someone of that caliber. (which by the way It aint happening).

 

[cd12]

sorry BPV..

 

[2ironVol]

So no coach in America could have pulled in better recruiting classes and made us better earlier? That's just not true. If we had a coach that brought in top 10 classes we would have been back already. Just because DD couldn't doesn't mean no one else could.

Yep, it's highly unlikely that coach is out there. We did have a coach who brought us a top ten class in 2009. Where are all of those players? Eric Gordon and Marsalis Teague have never lived up to their star ratings and hype.

I know you can't smell it pard, but stupidity oozes from you on a regular basis

 

[2ironVol]

If he was being hired at Georgia, then yeah I would say it was because of his father. But Dooley had the backing of Saban all the way, which undoubtedly helped. Hamilton being not so bright didn't help either.

Nevermind that Hamilton is exponentially smarter than you.

Does any of the ignorant faction of our fanbase understand the hiring of Dooley WAS NOT a unilateral decision by the AD? That the firing of Phillip Fulmer WAS NOT a unilateral decision by the AD

 

[TNDRIVER]

Says the Florida game was a watershed moment.

Says there was no shame in the UGA loss but that Dooley can't lead the team to a win against any team of consequence, and that that is unacceptable at UT.

He says he would have thought Dooley would be able to get at least one meaningful win in all of his years of coaching.

Mississippi State is not going to save Dooley's job. The jury is still out on them.

Says if we beat Miss State but lose to USCe and Bama that it is a very unimpressive 8-4 and the powers that be would see that things are not working out.

He thinks Dooley has a 25% chance of making it out of 2012. That the only reason Dooley even got the job is because we were in such a bad situation.

Says a "pretty good coach" in the SEC will get beat a lot, and Tennessee expects to be a Top 10 team.

Says short of putting a scare into Alabama or beating USCe, Dooley's not gonna be around.

Says there has been too much losing and shoulder shrugging at this point.

I still don't see Dooley being fired if he goes 8-4 and wins the bowl game, at the earliest I'd see him being replaced would be the end of next season, Not unless a very huge donor wants to step up and furnish the (amount in full)money for his contractual buy out. Plus the side that likes the direction Dooley is going in will have a very short fuse if they try the hottest rising star mid major head coach or some beloved assistant that has yet to be the head guy. I just don't believe this time around those that hate Dooley can count on the opposing side of the fan base just to climb on board if you guys are successful in getting him ousted it may start to more resemble national politics and start getting ugly, jmho for what it is worth.

 

[MiramarVol]

The loss at KY last year is a dark cloud over the program. The way the team kind of folded toward the end of the season correlates to the coach. The way the game got out of hand against UF this year is on the coach. I like CDD, but reality says he's NEVER beaten a ranked team YET. Reality tells me, even if we beat MSU next week it's not a signature win. If CDD beats SC or Bama, he's gravy for another couple years because that will put him at 9-3, barring a loss to a team he should beat, (November on). 7 wins means he lost a game or two he should have won = Gone. 8+ he's good, even though that's a weak a wins with no real signature win. If he wins 7, but one of those wins is Bama, he'll get a reprieve.

 

[BigPapaVol]

sorry BPV..

you're good.

 

[UTFanForLife]

If he was being hired at Georgia, then yeah I would say it was because of his father. But Dooley had the backing of Saban all the way, which undoubtedly helped. Hamilton being not so bright didn't help either.[/QUOTE]

Nevermind that Hamilton is exponentially smarter than you.

Does any of the ignorant faction of our fanbase understand the hiring of Dooley WAS NOT a unilateral decision by the AD? That the firing of Phillip Fulmer WAS NOT a unilateral decision by the AD

What I lack in intellect, I more than make up in common sense. I like to argue, let's not confuse that with stupidity. From what I can tell, both you and Hamilton fail miserably in the common sense department.

 

[utmba93]

The JUCO recruiting losses last year combined with the loss of Peters and Santos have all been swept under the rug. Not to mention the fact that Imani Cross, the back we told to take a hike is actually getting playing time as a frosh at Nebraska. We definitely have issues closing deals.

Closing deals... and evaluating talent, I'd add. :hi:

 

[Lexvol]

at the end of the day who is your pick for replacement coach?

I missed this somehow. If we had played more fundamentally sound football, both those games are winnable. We gave Georgia as much as they gave us....turned the ball over 4 times and a blocked punt.

Why not demand better protection of the football and a better kicking game? GA had a freshman kicker that gave them momentum going into the second half.

It isn't rocket science. If we were making fewer mistakes and losing, it may be easier to swallow. As it stands I still haven't seen 60 minutes of football or a kicking game from this team.

Charlie Strong would be a good start, but we may be able to aim a little higher.

 

[LTVol]

Mitt Romney says Dooley inherited a mess but he's had three years to clean it up and has only made things worse, so we should re-hire Fulmer.lol:

 

[2ironVol]

What I lack in intellect, I more than make up in common sense. I like to argue, let's not confuse that with stupidity. From what I can tell, both you and Hamilton fail miserably in the common sense department.

No you don't! :birgits_giggle:

If you had the common sense that you say, you would know better than to blame Hamilton for hiring Dooley. Under the circumstances, it was a great hire, but it still had to be reviewed and approved by the BOT. Hamilton only facilitated the process. He didn't make the decision

 

[thebjd]

Mitt Romney says Dooley inherited a mess but he's had three years to clean it up and has only made things worse, so we should re-hire Fulmer.lol:

Fulmer would be a huge upgrade but I have another former championship winning coach in mind.:loco:

 

[utmba93]

NC State was important for Dooley, but in retrospect, they are really not a very good foosball team.

If we beat MSU, by the end of the season, you could sub their name in for NC State and repost this in December.

 

[JAllen18]

I missed this somehow. If we had played more fundamentally sound football, both those games are winnable. We gave Georgia as much as they gave us....turned the ball over 4 times and a blocked punt.

Why not demand better protection of the football and a better kicking game? GA had a freshman kicker that gave them momentum going into the second half.

It isn't rocket science. If we were making fewer mistakes and losing, it may be easier to swallow. As it stands I still haven't seen 60 minutes of football or a kicking game from this team.

Charlie Strong would be a good start, but we may be able to aim a little higher.

Hiring a coach like Strong, while I think he's a good coach, would put us back another 2-3 years. We need a Gruden type caliber, but as I said before it won't happen. We're stuck with Dooley..

 

[TNRazor]

Gotta agree with most of what Feldman said, but I don't think he saw the big picture, if Dooley beats MSU and then wins out against the teams he's favored against, then I definitely think he's coming back. No, he doesn't have a "signature" win, but how do you fire a coach with 8 wins. Also, I think Bama's beatable this year, they've got a decent win against against a mediocre Michigan team, but that's about it. I don't think their offense or defense is nearly as good as it was last year. In Neyland stadium, I think we've got a shot at 'em.

 

[MRORANGEPANTS]

I know you can't smell it pard, but stupidity oozes from you on a regular basis

A poster on VN calling another poster stupid=

 

[Lexvol]

Hiring a coach like Strong, while I think he's a good coach, would put us back another 2-3 years. We need a Gruden type caliber, but as I said before it won't happen. We're stuck with Dooley..

I think Strong would recruit lights out, but if a Gruden caliber is ready and willing, I don't disagree.

 

[UTFanForLife]

No you don't! :birgits_giggle:

If you had the common sense that you say, you would know better than to blame Hamilton for hiring Dooley. Under the circumstances, it was a great hire, but it still had to be reviewed and approved by the BOT. Hamilton only facilitated the process. He didn't make the decision

He made the decision to present his "application" to the BOT, no? So every applicant was turned down by the BOT? Given Dooleys resume, he should have never made it to that point. I pump the Dooley sunshine all day long, but even I see that.