Bruce Feldman and Tim Brando criticize the SEC's handling of LSU/Florida

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I think there might be, debatably, some fair points made here (though Brando gets pretty riled up). The video of this is in the link below (I would have just put the video here but unfortunately I don't know how to post a non-youtube video on this site). Thought on this?


FOX Sports' Bruce Feldman, Tim Brando criticize the SEC over Florida-LSU game


He lays out his thoughts that both schools and ADs are at fault, Sankey failed in probably his first major test as a commissioner by choosing to treat this as an institutional decision (so everyone involved is essentially buck passing), there should have been some contingency planning or someone having enough vision in place to look towards the bigger picture, and it perhaps highlights some issue currently plague the system of big-time college football system (each part/institution doing only what's best for their constituency rather than the game as a whole, and there's no one above balancing / looking to maintain the credibility of the game itself).
 
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Sankey is your typical poor manager who defers on decisions. He has exhibited really poor leadership in this case.
 
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TrueOrange said:
I think there might be, debatably, some fair points made here (though Brando gets pretty riled up). The video of this is in the link below (I would have just put the video here but unfortunately I don't know how to post a non-youtube video on this site). Thought on this?


FOX Sports' Bruce Feldman, Tim Brando criticize the SEC over Florida-LSU game


He lays out his thoughts that both schools and ADs are at fault, Sankey failed in probably his first major test as a commissioner by choosing to treat this as an institutional decision (so everyone involved is essentially buck passing), there should have been some contingency planning or someone having enough vision in place to look towards the bigger picture, and it perhaps highlights some issue currently plague the system of big-time college football system (each part/institution doing only what's best for their constituency rather than the game as a whole, and there's no one above balancing / looking to maintain the credibility of the game itself).
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Agree there should have been some contingency planning in past off-seasons around a scenario like this. UF cancelled an OOC game (or maybe they didn't finish?) a couple of years ago. It was bound to happen that a game that mattered would get cancelled eventually.

There should have been something in place that either allowed the SEC to make the final call or to put pressure on the institutions to get the game played (maybe base the rankings on # of conference wins rather than win/loss record).
 
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triadvolfan said:
Agree there should have been some contingency planning in past off-seasons around a scenario like this. UF cancelled an OOC game (or maybe they didn't finish?) a couple of years ago. It was bound to happen that a game that mattered would get cancelled eventually.

There should have been something in place that either allowed the SEC to make the final call or to put pressure on the institutions to get the game played (maybe base the rankings on # of conference wins rather than win/loss record).
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I feel like that would open a whole different fiasco down the road.
 
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I understand that the hurricane is going to require emergency personnel from all over the state to focus their attention on storm victims, so it might not be feasible for them to host a game even several days after Saturday. I know we were made to play at LSU on the monday after Katrina, but that might have been a mistake.

That's why Sankey needs to force LSU's hand on the Nov 19th date. Sorry LSU, the rest of the country doesn't have a ton of pity on you that you'd have to play 3 road games in a row. Boo hoo.
 
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It reflects poorly on the SEC and UT is going to get inadvertently dragged into the narrative. Ironic, since we're actually showing up to play our games, that we should even be in this conversation.
 
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They can't cancel the game without a vote;

http://assets.espn.go.com/SEC/media/2016/Final Commissioners Regulations.pdf

Each Conference team shall play eight Conference games each year. The schedule will consist of a 6-1-1
format, whereby each institution will play all six of its division opponents, one permanent opponent and one
rotating opponent from the other division each year. The permanent non-division opponents will be as
follows:
 Alabama v. Tennessee
 Arkansas v. Missouri
 Auburn v. Georgia
 LSU v. Florida
 Ole Miss v. Vanderbilt
 Mississippi State v. Kentucky
 Texas A&M v. South Carolina
The remaining six non-divisional opponents will be played on a rotating basis. The sites, dates, and rotation
of the eight-game schedule shall be set by administrative action of the Conference. Any conflicts that result
in this schedule that cannot be resolved by the institutions involved will be submitted to the SEC Presidents
and Chancellors for final resolution.

The Presidents and Chancellors of all the member schools must vote on a resolution of the game.

Sankey and 2 ADs can't make this decision.
 
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TrueOrange said:
I think there might be, debatably, some fair points made here (though Brando gets pretty riled up). The video of this is in the link below (I would have just put the video here but unfortunately I don't know how to post a non-youtube video on this site). Thought on this?


FOX Sports' Bruce Feldman, Tim Brando criticize the SEC over Florida-LSU game


He lays out his thoughts that both schools and ADs are at fault, Sankey failed in probably his first major test as a commissioner by choosing to treat this as an institutional decision (so everyone involved is essentially buck passing), there should have been some contingency planning or someone having enough vision in place to look towards the bigger picture, and it perhaps highlights some issue currently plague the system of big-time college football system (each part/institution doing only what's best for their constituency rather than the game as a whole, and there's no one above balancing / looking to maintain the credibility of the game itself).
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actually Tim brought up the easiest solution to date...play it in Baton Rouge this year, and play the next two in Gainesville.
 
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TrueOrange said:
I feel like that would open a whole different fiasco down the road.
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If you simply say that the teams must play eight conference games to be eligible for the championsip or that if you for any reason fail to play eight games then the percentage is still based on eight games, then you can bet that FL and LSU would have figured a way to work it out.
 
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AM64 said:
If you simply say that the teams must play eight conference games to be eligible for the championsip or that if you for any reason fail to play eight games then the percentage is still based on eight games, then you can bet that FL and LSU would have figured a way to work it out.
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No, I understand that argument, but he was saying was a suggestion that the rankings in the national polls should be based on conference wins and losses rather than overall wins and losses...which seems like it leaves room for messy outcomes.
 
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All of Floridas DL, some of their OL and Del Rio was going to be out again this weekend. This is why Florida drug there feet.

I tell you how bad they look, lawgator and 99gator hasn't showed their face here since this game was announced as cancelled. Any true football fan like they are this would embarrass.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
All of Floridas DL, some of their OL and Del Rio was going to be out again this weekend. This is why Florida drug there feet.

I tell you how bad they look, lawgator and 99gator hasn't showed their face here since this game was announced as cancelled. Any true football fan like they are this would embarrass.
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They've been here multiple times, actually.

And with what was coming in the direction towards the school, they had to take it seriously.


The big issue sounds more like 1) contingency plans weren't in place, and 2) everyone got too caught up doing what was best for their own constituency...because everyone was just there looking out for their own constituency - there wasn't anyone at a higher level to balancing their wants to maintain the credibility of the game itself.
 
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Correct. Sankey should have said on Tuesday/Wednesday what their options are for dates and that they had till Thursday to agree, otherwise you both forfeit. I am sure we would know when the game was to be played right now.
 
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TrueOrange said:
No, I understand that argument, but he was saying was a suggestion that the rankings in the national polls should be based on conference wins and losses rather than overall wins and losses...which seems like it leaves room for messy outcomes.
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National rankings would definitely make it a mess. I thought he was talking SEC ranking though. "...(maybe base the rankings on # of conference wins rather than win/loss record)..."

In the end the only reasonable way is to either count conference wins period knowing that each team is supposed to play the eight SEC scheduled conference games, or do a percentage SEC wins/total SEC games scheduled - that would be SEC games won/8.
 
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LA Vol said:
It reflects poorly on the SEC and UT is going to get inadvertently dragged into the narrative. Ironic, since we're actually showing up to play our games, that we should even be in this conversation.
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UT dragged themselves into it when Butch begged for the game to happen.

With that said UT should beat A&M, and keep a close game against Bama(maybe win) and win the rest and it won't matter.

As previously mentioned there wouldnt be too many first responders available for the game if it were to be played in Gainesville. Also getting people in and out of Gainesville would be rough too.

As far as playing in Baton Rouge goes, would y'all give up a home game(and home field advantage, local business gains, and the biggest recruiting nights) to play away?

I also see LSU's side of not wanting to give up the November 19th game against USA. They'd lose revenues they need for Miles buyout and put money in the bank for their next coach. Plus they'd have to face Florida and the 5 days later have to face A&M.
 
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Mika said:
UT dragged themselves into it when Butch begged for the game to happen.

With that said UT should beat A&M, and keep a close game against Bama(maybe win) and win the rest and it won't matter.

As previously mentioned there wouldnt be too many first responders available for the game if it were to be played in Gainesville. Also getting people in and out of Gainesville would be rough too.

As far as playing in Baton Rouge goes, would y'all give up a home game(and home field advantage, local business gains, and the biggest recruiting nights) to play away?

I also see LSU's side of not wanting to give up the November 19th game against USA. They'd lose revenues they need for Miles buyout and put money in the bank for their next coach. Plus they'd have to face Florida and the 5 days later have to face A&M.
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You guys are becoming laughing stock defending this.
 
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Mika said:
UT dragged themselves into it when Butch begged for the game to happen.

With that said UT should beat A&M, and keep a close game against Bama(maybe win) and win the rest and it won't matter.

As previously mentioned there wouldnt be too many first responders available for the game if it were to be played in Gainesville. Also getting people in and out of Gainesville would be rough too.

As far as playing in Baton Rouge goes, would y'all give up a home game(and home field advantage, local business gains, and the biggest recruiting nights) to play away?

I also see LSU's side of not wanting to give up the November 19th game against USA. They'd lose revenues they need for Miles buyout and put money in the bank for their next coach. Plus they'd have to face Florida and the 5 days later have to face A&M.
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The schools' own best interests are immaterial. These teams are part of a conference and they are obligated to play their full conference schedule; otherwise, they should forfeit. Sankey needs to step in and force this game to be played.
 
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