Britton suspended...(merged)

#51
#51
yes, but Phil still offered him a scholly with no stipulations after that right?
 
#53
#53
He should have been booted, I don't care what his last name is.....shameful Phil....what a bad example to the team
 
#54
#54
rexvol said:
doesnt he have control over who he brings on campus and what they have to do once they get there?
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yes. and no.

i posted this last week, and the circumstances are different, but to answer the question of "control" it's relevant:
in my line of work, employee accountability is tantamount to us being successful. and when these issues come up in college athletics, i have a little empathy for those having to a)make the rules and then b) enforce them.

the issue is really with b). how to enforce them?

one of the things i'm always asking our facility managers is "why do we have to wait until something happens before we follow up and hold our people accountable? we do a great job of having hte closed door, draw the blinds sit down meeting after the fact, but what are we really doing to prevent it from happening? after all, if we're having that meeting, we've alredy failed, right?"

this isn't quite the same because the coach is held repsonsible for these kids not only when they are in practice or at the game, but also when they are on their personal time. They have a code of conduct they are supposed to follow at all times, not just while on company time so to speak. so that in and of itself makes the accountablity part of this much more difficult.

in the end, what i have come up with, is all you can do is have the rules/policy/procedure in place, explain it to everyone responsible for carrying them out, and when/if they are broken, hold them accountable for their actions. you're simply not going to prevent each ane every incident. trust me.:)

taking it a step further on the volume of incidents, i belive that seems more than ever simply because of the methond and speed at which information is communicated now. i would be one to believe that these incidents aren't happening with any more frequency, but they are definitely being reported in local and main stream media outlets with more frequency. not that that makes it ok or anything, but relatively speaking, we always come back to "we're talking about 18-20 year old college kids". again, not an excuse, but speaking for myself, as a former 18-20 year old college kid, i can say with 100% certainty, i'm very fortunate no one cared enough to put in to print the stupid ass things i did while in Knoxville.:thumbsup:
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and it should also be noted, that the punishment Colquitt received is the harshest punishment issued on a single player for any off field incidents during this off season. so it's difficult for me to get to the "double standard" argument some have presented.

debate whether it was harsh enough or not, fine. and it's not CPF's fault that Colquitt and his family can withstand the loss of the scholly. he removed it, which given his realm of control, is on the list of things he can do. and we lose our starting punter for the 1st five games which includes UCLA, FL and Auburn.

it is a tad more than a slap on the wrist. however, given his past, i personally wouldn't have had a problem had he gotten dismissed.
 
#55
#55
utvolpj said:
were you calling for him to be kicked off in 2004? IIRC, some of the incidents were before he even got on campus when CPF had no control over him.
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He still has no control over him or anyone else for that matter
 
#56
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jakez4ut said:
and it should also be noted, that the punishment Colquitt received is the harshest punishment issued on a single player for any off field incidents during this off season. so it's difficult for me to get to the "double standard" argument some have presented.
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What about the two guys who just got booted off the team?
 
#57
#57
jakez4ut said:
yes. and no.

i posted this last week, and the circumstances are different, but to answer the question of "control" it's relevant:


and it should also be noted, that the punishment Colquitt received is the harshest punishment issued on a single player for any off field incidents during this off season. so it's difficult for me to get to the "double standard" argument some have presented.

debate whether it was harsh enough or not, fine. and it's not CPF's fault that Colquitt and his family can withstand the loss of the scholly. he removed it, which given his realm of control, is on the list of things he can do. and we lose our starting punter for the 1st five games which includes UCLA, FL and Auburn.

it is a tad more than a slap on the wrist. however, given his past, i personally wouldn't have had a problem had he gotten dismissed.
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I wasnt clear, what I meant by his being responsible for what they do once they are on campus Iwas referring to the need for intensive on-going alcohol treatment in the case of Britton. Also, some type of accountability system for him. The girls at my center know that every time they leave the campus that they'll be tested the second they come back. After 2 infractions they're dismissed for 30 days. After which they can come back and have to start all over. It's accountabilty with discipline that has some sting. I've had girls tell me that the knowledge of the drug test kept them from giving into temptation.
 
#58
#58
cibai said:
What about the two guys who just got booted off the team?
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from the article in the Jackson sun:

Colquitt's five-game suspension and the stripping of his scholarship is the harshest punishment Fulmer has levied against a player who has been involved with police this year.
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I guess the qualifier is being involved with the police.....:dunno:
 
#59
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rexvol said:
I wasnt clear, what I meant by his being responsible for what they do once they are on campus Iwas referring to the need for intensive on-going alcohol treatment in the case of Britton. Also, some type of accountability system for him. The girls at my center know that every time they leave the campus that they'll be tested the second they come back. After 2 infractions they're dismissed for 30 days. After which they can come back and have to start all over. It's accountabilty with discipline that has some sting. I've had girls tell me that the knowledge of the drug test kept them from giving into temptation.
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he's the head coach of a football team, not head counselor at a rehap clinic.

that said, i won't dispute that after he had 2 or 3 alchohol related incidents, that some sort of action be taken. whether it be the decision of the coach or a policy that UT has in place, once you start setting precedents for a certain behavior, chances are greater they'll be repeated then suddenly seeing the light.

but i would also contend, that it's not like friends or family weren't aware of those past incidents and there was no assertion on their part to get him to any kind of treatment either. then there's the self accountablity factor. he knew where he stood. and here we are today......
 
#60
#60
jakez4ut said:
he's the head coach of a football team, not head counselor at a rehap clinic.

that said, i won't dispute that after he had 2 or 3 alchohol related incidents, that some sort of action be taken. whether it be the decision of the coach or a policy that UT has in place, once you start setting precedents for a certain behavior, chances are greater they'll be repeated then suddenly seeing the light.

but i would also contend, that it's not like friends or family weren't aware of those past incidents and there was no assertion on their part to get him to any kind of treatment either. then there's the self accountablity factor. he knew where he stood. and here we are today......
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freudian slip since it keeps rehappening? I know he's a coach and not a treatment director, but in this day and age dealing with young guys it's part of the package. If you could just say that then why even have drug tests or any kind of policy with regard to substance abuse, after all he's just a football coach.
 
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rexvol said:
freudian slip since it keeps rehappening? I know he's a coach and not a treatment director, but in this day and age dealing with young guys it's part of the package. If you could just say that then why even have drug tests or any kind of policy with regard to substance abuse, after all he's just a football coach.
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I'm ready for a new coach, I've said so often. But not beacause of these off field matters. I actually think Phillip deals pretty well with taking a player in an individual case manner.

Let's look at Britton's treatment. Fulmer has, in effect, removed Brtitton from the team. Five games and no scholly marginalize Colquitt's impact on the team significantly. Still, Fulmer maintains enough hold to be able to dictate an intervention in this young man's life. He may relapse, find trouble again, not be able to complete a comprehensive treatment program. But Fulmer has enough control to possibly affect change for the better, and he can cut ties easily now, because he's positoned his team to move on now.

After thinking about this, I think CPF did this about as well as he could have. For all involved parties.
 
#65
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rexvol said:
freudian slip since it keeps rehappening? I know he's a coach and not a treatment director, but in this day and age dealing with young guys it's part of the package. If you could just say that then why even have drug tests or any kind of policy with regard to substance abuse, after all he's just a football coach.
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:eek:lol:maybe?

it's always been an issue. drug and alchohol issues are not new to College athletics, it's more to d with the "how to deal with those issues" has been evolving a lot slower with the demand to deal with them.

Couple that with the fact every little incident is posted on a website somewhere, and the exposure is so much different than it was just 10 years ago.
 
#67
#67
orange+white=heaven said:
I'm ready for a new coach, I've said so often. But not beacause of these off field matters. I actually think Phillip deals pretty well with taking a player in an individual case manner.

Let's look at Britton's treatment. Fulmer has, in effect, removed Brtitton from the team. Five games and no scholly marginalize Colquitt's impact on the team significantly. Still, Fulmer maintains enough hold to be able to dictate an intervention in this young man's life. He may relapse, find trouble again, not be able to complete a comprehensive treatment program. But Fulmer has enough control to possibly affect change for the better, and he can cut ties easily now, because he's positoned his team to move on now.

After thinking about this, I think CPF did this about as well as he could have. For all involved parties.
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Outstanding points. :clap: I do disagree about getting rid of coach though.
 
#70
#70
orange+white=heaven said:
I'm ready for a new coach, I've said so often. But not beacause of these off field matters. I actually think Phillip deals pretty well with taking a player in an individual case manner.

Let's look at Britton's treatment. Fulmer has, in effect, removed Brtitton from the team. Five games and no scholly marginalize Colquitt's impact on the team significantly. Still, Fulmer maintains enough hold to be able to dictate an intervention in this young man's life. He may relapse, find trouble again, not be able to complete a comprehensive treatment program. But Fulmer has enough control to possibly affect change for the better, and he can cut ties easily now, because he's positoned his team to move on now.

After thinking about this, I think CPF did this about as well as he could have. For all involved parties.
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at this point, doesnt this parallel James Banks, and wasnt he dismissed? Im sure Phil's sitting there scratching his head wondering why people are crying double standard.
 
#71
#71
rexvol said:
at this point, doesnt this parallel James Banks, and wasnt he dismissed? Im sure Phil's sitting there scratching his head wondering why people are crying double standard.
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There were moments where I actually thought Phillip might let James come back. Ultimately,it just didn't fit.

I'm not blind to the appearance of a double standard. In truth, if there was not such a close bond between Fulmer and the Colquitt family maybe this breaks differently. This family, and this coach have a life in peril to deal with.
 
#72
#72
orange+white=heaven said:
There were moments where I actually thought Phillip might let James come back. Ultimately,it just didn't fit.

I'm not blind to the appearance of a double standard. In truth, if there was not such a close bond between Fulmer and the Colquitt family maybe this breaks differently. This family, and this coach have a life in peril to deal with.[/quote]

I could not agree more. You have to ask yourself if Britton is being helped by remaining on the team. Or is the message loud and clear that he is a child of privilege and the same rules dont apply to him as to everyone else? when does it become in their best interest to let them experience the full consequences of their actions?
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#73
#73
rexvol said:
I could not agree more. You have to ask yourself if Britton is being helped by remaining on the team. Or is the message loud and clear that he is a child of privilege and the same rules dont apply to him as to everyone else? when does it become in their best interest to let them experience the full consequences of their actions?
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I think, as I said above, that his staying gives everyone some leverage to help this kid see the precipice he's perched on. It would be nice to see eventually that he finally got the message. I'm told the odds are pretty low that happens. At least the effort was made....
 
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