BREAKING: Gruden offered 6-year $31.5M deal

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barknoxbrawler said:
Total control here. You dont have it in the NFL.
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Absolutely correct.

At a college Gruden will have far more control of personnel and staff choices. From what OCI has rumorposted Gruden will set assistant salary pool and choices. He alone can decide who to recruit and how to recruit them. He'll likely have full control over assistants (I can't see Hart risking messing this up demanding Gruden keep a current assistant) and what style of offense/defense to run. Etc etc etc.

In the NFL it's much more tenuous. NFL is also a much more rigorous and demanding job in general. As HFC you have the GM and Owner that can intercede with decisions. Some owners will say "we're drafting this player in the 1st Round, I don't care what you want". Some owners give GM full draft/Free Agency bidding powers. Very very very few Head Coaches in the NFL have even partial FA/NFLD oversight.

For all we know Gruden might actually rather recruit/develop college kids instead of dealing with prima donna (pre-madonna?) players and pushy/demanding GMs/Owners. There would be a difference in pay but it would likely be somewhere near a $1m/year difference.

If Gruden only cared about money he'd stay with MNF for life.
 
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DC Vol said:
Absolutely correct.

At a college Gruden will have far more control of personnel and staff choices. From what OCI has rumorposted Gruden will set assistant salary pool and choices. He alone can decide who to recruit and how to recruit them. He'll likely have full control over assistants (I can't see Hart risking messing this up demanding Gruden keep a current assistant) and what style of offense/defense to run. Etc etc etc.

In the NFL it's much more tenuous. NFL is also a much more rigorous and demanding job in general. As HFC you have the GM and Owner that can intercede with decisions. Some owners will say "we're drafting this player in the 1st Round, I don't care what you want". Some owners give GM full draft/Free Agency bidding powers. Very very very few Head Coaches in the NFL have even partial FA/NFLD oversight.

For all we know Gruden might actually rather recruit/develop college kids instead of dealing with prima donna (pre-madonna?) players and pushy/demanding GMs/Owners. There would be a difference in pay but it would likely be somewhere near a $1m/year difference.

If Gruden only cared about money he'd stay with MNF for life.
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This is a good post, good points. He's still young and that's what scares me. I don't want a coach to come in here and leave after 4 seasons. Unfortunately that's the market we live in today. If he coaches lights out and brings in the big bucks I say pay the guy anything he wants (short of 8 mill a year).
 
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OCIVol said:
Just got word that Lamonte has been in touch with Hart today regarding some of the terms of the deal and discussing salary pool for assistants. Hart is "negotiating" but will give Gruden whatever he wants/needs.
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Thanks Oci hope he takes the Tennessee offer.
 
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knoxtnguy said:
This is a good post, good points. He's still young and that's what scares me. I don't want a coach to come in here and leave after 4 seasons. Unfortunately that's the market we live in today. If he coaches lights out and brings in the big bucks I say pay the guy anything he wants (short of 8 mill a year).
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I'm with you. He's 49 and probably has at least 15 years left. That's a long long long time for a HFC to be anywhere in this day and age. Honestly? If we get Gruden and get 8 years and he takes an NFL job that probably means he did some impressive things here.

I'm fine with that.
 
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Did anyone else just see the "ESPN Monday Night" Twitter post that "RT @ESPNMondayNight: Look for a special announcement from Jon Gruden on next week's Monday Night Football!"?
 
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DC Vol said:
I'm with you. He's 49 and probably has at least 15 years left. That's a long long long time for a HFC to be anywhere in this day and age. Honestly? If we get Gruden and get 8 years and he takes an NFL job that probably means he did some impressive things here.

I'm fine with that.
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If we had him for just 4 years I would be happy
 
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Coastypop said:
Ainge now confirming on his show (in answer to a listeners question) that "There is a real possibility that Gruden will be offered the position and a REAL possibility he will accept it.

Not news but just saying how open and public this is becoming
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Cool. Thanks for posting.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
I don't like how you guys are just assuming Gruden is taking the job. If he turns it down, VN is in for a meltdown for the history books.
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Why would it be a meltdown? I want Gruden as much as anybody but if he turns it down then thats cool, I wouldnt blame him him. Biggest thing is I want Hart showing that he will atleast attempt to go after HR hires and not settle or not even try. We are in a much better position to get a proven coach now that we have a nice looking roster and depth. Plus the biggest part being no possible sanctions. I believe Hart wants to show he is a big time AD and will do everything possible to solidify that by getting us a big time coach that will bring us back to prominence.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Why would it be a meltdown? I want Gruden as much as anybody but if he turns it down then thats cool, I wouldnt blame him him. Biggest thing is I want Hart showing that he will atleast attempt to go after HR hires and not settle or not even try. We are in a much better position to get a proven coach now that we have a nice looking roster and depth. Plus the biggest part being no possible sanctions. I believe Hart wants to show he is a big time AD and will do everything possible to solidify that by getting us a big time coach that will bring us back to prominence.
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You're right about Hart. The guy had some problems at FSU, was assistant AD at bammer (but ran things) and now he has a fresh new start at UT. I'm sure he wants to succeed as much as anyone. He has something to prove and this is about as good a opportunity as he's gonna get to do that.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Is this guy serious?
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Yes guy I posted it then it must be serious. I mean I am a huge Vol fan and have been for 30the yrs but if we dont get him life will go on. He is by far my top choice as Coach and its not even close, but if he doesnt want to be here then Hart will do a much better job of finding the right guy that does want it. Next Question son..
 
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knoxtnguy said:
You're right about Hart. The guy had some problems at FSU, was assistant AD at bammer (but ran things) and now he has a fresh new start at UT. I'm sure he wants to succeed as much as anyone. He has something to prove and this is about as good a opportunity as he's gonna get to do that.
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Absolutely. He wont make a stupid hire if he plans of being AD for yrs to come. But I take him as a no nonsense type of AD who wants to succeed. This will be his shot to possibly get us back to where we used to be and possibly in an even better position.He saw how the fanbase at Ala was when Saban was hired, and of course Moore got all the credit and this is his opportunity to unite UT and know he was the one that made it happen.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Why doesn't someone just hack Hart's email?

Hell, if you guys know someone in the IT department at UT with active directory access just have them change his password, login to his email and download all the messages from the past couple months real fast and post them to pirate bay or something, seems simple enough.
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Why would you do that?

If you have AD access, more than likely you can access to the Exchange box. Open up the Exchange EMC console.. find the mailbox for "DHart". Right click it and hit "Modify Full Control..." and then add your AD account.

Now open up your Outlook on your PC and modify your account to include the "DHart" mailbox.

Boom, password is not changed and he has no idea anyone accessed his mailbox.

Then post all communication between him and Dooley/Gruden/any other "lols".
 
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vSphereGuy said:
Why would you do that?

If you have AD access, more than likely you can access to the Exchange box. Open up the Exchange EMC console.. find the mailbox for "DHart". Right click it and hit "Modify Full Control..." and then add your AD account.

Now open up your Outlook on your PC and modify your account to include the "DHart" mailbox.

Boom, password is not changed and he has no idea anyone accessed his mailbox.

Then post all communication between him and Dooley/Gruden/any other "lols".
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Hire the UT student that hacked Palins Yahoo account. He might need work.
 
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