Breaking down our class for those who worry about class rankings

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StlCardinals2618 said:
Uhhh did the class ranked 11th with Javier Arenas not win the National Championship?

I guess beating number 9 Clemson, number 3 Georgia, and number 16 LSU in the 2008 year is an easy feat. Not to mention that team falls in the same category as Oklahoma losing to Boise. Its hard to get a NC hopeful team pumped for a meaningless game against Utah.
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Javier Arenas.Wow you found one good player from that class.I never said that a 15th ranked class sucked.I said that there is a large difference in talent between 1 and 15.Btw dont use a win over clemson to bolster your argument.I dont care what they were ranked they were overrated garbage.
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#52
#52
Is there a big difference between 1 and 15?

Don't forget that these are 100% subjective rankings that can wildly vary from service to service. I agree, you'd rather be ranked higher, but that doesn't guarantee mediocrity if you're not top 10.
 
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Unfrozen Caveman said:
.Wow you found one good player from that class.I never said that a 15th ranked class sucked.I said that there is a large difference in talent between 1 and 15.Btw dont use a win over clemson to bolster your argument.I dont care what they were ranked they were overrated garbage.
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1 good player??? That team won the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. How is one good player going to win the national championship? That team had 16 upperclassmen starting including 10 seniors.

The 08 year they still went undefeated in the regular season. Even a good team cant do that...
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
1 good player??? That team won the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. How is one good player going to win the national championship? That team had 16 upperclassmen starting including 10 seniors.

The 08 year they still went undefeated in the regular season. Even a good team cant do that...
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I was talking about one good player out of that recruiting class.Good grief take your pills.
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Unfrozen Caveman said:
I was talking about one good player out of that recruiting class.Good grief take your pills.
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There was 10 starters from that class on the national championship team... How are they bad players? If they can start for a NC team then they can start for any college team in the country.
 
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Unfrozen Caveman said:
Beamer can have him.You can compete in the ACC with 2 star scrubs. You cant in the SEC.Ask kentucky.
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Those "2 star scrubs" at VPI mopped the floor with us last time I looked. I will trust Dooley and Beamers talent scouting over yours all day and tomorrow. :hi:
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
There was 10 starters from that class on the national championship team... How are they bad players? If they can start for a NC team then they can start for any college team in the country.
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4 of those ten were Juco transfers that Saban brought in and had nothing to do with that 11th ranked recruiting class that you are talking about.
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Rudy123 said:
Having "No depth problem" will be a problem!! Right now, we can sell playing time to 5* freshmen, once we get depth, we won't be able to do that again.
If you may recall, Miami was loaded with players for years. Then the 5* recruits began to go elsewhere for playing time. So, Miami signed some 4* but mostly 3* players. Once their players graduated or left for the NFL, all Miami had on their team were 3* players with a few 4*'s scattered among them and none of them had any real playing experience. So, Miami began to lose games.
If Hunter had the chance to go to F.S.U. and play immediately or go to U.T. and not crack the line up until his junior season, where do you think he would play???
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You can always offer chance at early playing time to 5* kids.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Having "No depth problem" will be a problem!! Right now, we can sell playing time to 5* freshmen, once we get depth, we won't be able to do that again.
If you may recall, Miami was loaded with players for years. Then the 5* recruits began to go elsewhere for playing time. So, Miami signed some 4* but mostly 3* players. Once their players graduated or left for the NFL, all Miami had on their team were 3* players with a few 4*'s scattered among them and none of them had any real playing experience. So, Miami began to lose games.
If Hunter had the chance to go to F.S.U. and play immediately or go to U.T. and not crack the line up until his junior season, where do you think he would play???
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One of the great things about Coach Dooley's system is that any player has a chance to start. But they have to earn it by how well they do in practice and keep it by how well they do in games. No guaranteed playing time just because you are/were a 5* recruit. You work hard, practice hard, do well in games and you play. Also, keep your grades up, and do the right things off the field.
 
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Unfrozen Caveman said:
4 of those ten were Juco transfers that Saban brought in and had nothing to do with that 11th ranked recruiting class that you are talking about.
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So? whats your point? Saban still won with that class. You have no argument there. The class that didnt rank in the top 10. I dont see how him bringing in juco players suddenly makes that a top 5 class. That team had 16 returning starters and only 3 of the returning players were part of his number 1 class.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
So? whats your point? Saban still won with that class. You have no argument there. The class that didnt rank in the top 10. I dont see how him bringing in juco players suddenly makes that a top 5 class. That team had 16 returning starters and only 3 of the returning players were part of his number 1 class.
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Look man you are one of the good posters on this site andI wasnt trying to piss on your post.All I was saying is that if a team has 4 15th ranked classes in a row they would have alot less talent than a team that had 4 1s in a row.Yes you can have a 15th ranked class one year and still have a good team but I guess im just a star gazzer.
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I mean im not mad or anything lol. Everyone has their own opinion. Its definitely easier to win a national championship with a really high class, but its not impossible. It takes coaching and getting the right players. I just believe you can do it as long as you have a top 15 class. Its all opinion and both sides have a solid argument.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Mike Johnson, Cory Reamer, Brandon Deadrick, Brandon Fanney were part of a 18th ranked class
Greg Mcelroy, Mike Mccoy, Justin Woodall, Javier Arenas, Josh Champman, Luther Davis were part of the 11th ranked class
Kareem Jackson, Rolando Mcclain, William Vlanchos were part of the 10th ranked class

Those 13 players all contributed a lot for Alabama's national championship team and none of them were in a higher than 10 ranked class.
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Good enough for me.Hey im just a bitter Braves fan have some sympathy.
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Unfrozen Caveman said:
Look man you are one of the good posters on this site andI wasnt trying to piss on your post.All I was saying is that if a team has 4 15th ranked classes in a row they would have alot less talent than a team that had 4 1s in a row.Yes you can have a 15th ranked class one year and still have a good team but I guess im just a star gazzer.
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Teams like Florida, USC, Texas, and LSU made it to a bcs game with a very high ranking and teams like Auburn, Stanford, Oregon, and Nebraska did it without a top 5 class. I will say they are usually always dead on when evaluating top 5 players though.
 
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Unfrozen Caveman said:
Good enough for me.Hey im just a bitter Braves fan have some sympathy.
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Hah i edited that post out since i saw me and you both were done arguing, I guess i didnt do it fast enough lol. Im not going to lie, the braves choking was probably one of the greatest things i got to see this year:)
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Hah i edited that out since i saw me and you both were done arguing, I guess i didnt do it fast enough lol. Im not going to lie, the braves choking was probably one of the greatest things i got to see this year:)
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The braves manager must be related to Dusty Baker because he over threw every pitcher on the staff.BTW is there anyway you guys will take Lowe of our hands in the offseason?.....Please?
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I do not care about Rivals or Scout rankings. We had top 5 classes in 2005 and 2007. Then we had a top 10 class in 2009 and those classes turned out to be busts.

I care about filling needs with players who are talented and passionate. I don't care how many stars they have.

I'd take Dan Williams, Quintin Hancock, Luke Stocker, Prentis Waggner, Denarius Moore, Tauren Poole

(all 3 stars)

over players like Lamarcus Coker, Demetrice Morley, Brent Vinson, Kenny O'Neal, Chris Donald, BJ Coleman, Lennon Creer, Ahmad Paige, Darris Sawtelle, Aaron Douglass, Bryce Brown, Janzen Jackson, Jerod Askew, David Oku, and Nu'keese Richardson

(all 4 & 5 stars)

any day of the week.
 
#71
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Unfrozen Caveman said:
The braves manager must be related to Dusty Baker because he over threw every pitcher on the staff.BTW is there anyway you guys will take Lowe of our hands in the offseason?.....Please?
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Seriously. Don't we all wish we were as overpaid as lowe is.
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Rudy123 said:
Having "No depth problem" will be a problem!! Right now, we can sell playing time to 5* freshmen, once we get depth, we won't be able to do that again.
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By the time you get there.... you better be saying "Come here and win championships".

That's why I have consistently said that DD cannot be given more than '12 to make some noise. UT MUST be considered a "hot" program and not a fading program. UT has to pull talent from other states. They don't leave other states in the needed numbers for a mediocre program.
 
#73
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tvols75 said:
Agree. We should be in great shape at LB. I love the talent we have brought in with this class. If we end up with O'Brien and Jacobs, that bolsters our group of DTs. However, we still need at least 1 more and probably two more. WRs look great. I would love to pull a surprise on the OL, but Jelks will do just fine. We desperately need Price or Meredith, and we should be fine with the TEs on campus next year. And lastly, I think we need one more safety. Loften is eligible to be here since attending JUCO, but Brent said Dooley and Co. are going to evaluate him again.
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Would be nice to pick up a last minute stud CB.
 
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until we sign a top 3 class 2 or 3 years in a row like Bama and Flordia we still wont be able to compete with the "NEW" SEC.....WE NEED TOP PLAYERS....he who has the best players wins the game.
 
#75
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Unfrozen Caveman said:
Calling Cody Blanc an athlete is using the term "athlete" very loosely.
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Cody Blanc seems to be a skinny white kid who has the intangible ability to play football. His measurables put him at decent height, good frame, needs a few pounds, good hands, legitimate 4.5 speed.

Watching him on film you get the idea that he would probably be a 3 star if he played against better talent. He makes people miss, runs with authority.

He could make a decent college slot receiver.

The coaches saw something they liked.
:good!:
 
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