Bray has been overrated

#76
#76
StlCardinals2618 said:
How in the world can you say that? You have no idea what kind of leader Bray is because you don't hear him on the field or at practice. You have no idea what goes on in that huddle so for you to make a claim like that is stupid.
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I recall seeing him during the Arky game, on the sidelines, laughing and having a great time with the guys. It wasn't joshing, it was a positive team player trying to make the best of the situation and get his players in the spirit. Maybe I am too much of an optimist. "Maybe I was just snarky at the Arky 'cause I ain't got to play," was his attitude. :)
 
#77
#77
smokey79 said:
I very much agree with ya,Bray is overrated and immature im not sold on the guy being a team leader.I would start J.Worley next season over Bray i think Worley will end up being the better Qb.
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Based on? And Worley would be a good team leader?
 
#78
#78
fade route said:
What??

Here are Bray's TD/Int ratios in every game of singnificance that he was the starter or played most of the game

2010:
USC - 2/1
Ole Miss - 3/0
Vandy - 2/2
UK - 2/2
UNC - 4/3

2011:
UF - 3/2
UGA - 0/0
Vandy - 2/2
UK - 1/2

Total: 19/14

And you people think he's "all world". He hasn't proven anything yet except that, like Dools, he can club the baby seals on the schedule
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Your "games of significance" stats are pretty subjective, but in addition to that, mistakes don't only include INTs. I think they also include taking bad sacks, fumbling the ball, not throwing the ball away at certain times, staring down receivers, etc. I think he's done a good job at limiting mistakes through his Sophomore year...
 
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#79
#79
rdechols said:
I recall seeing him during the Arky game, on the sidelines, laughing and having a great time with the guys. It wasn't joshing, it was a positive team player trying to make the best of the situation and get his players in the spirit. Maybe I am too much of an optimist. "Maybe I was just snarky at the Arky 'cause I ain't got to play," was his attitude. :)
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Maybe he was just trying to get the team up or maybe he didn't care about the game. We don't know. We aren't at practice everyday with him and we aren't on the sidelines with him, so for someone to say he is a bad leader is just stupid.

What i do know is that when he came back, every reporter and player interviewed talked about how great it was to see him at practice again and how it rejuvenated life into the team. That seems like a leader to me.
 
#80
#80
fade route said:
What??

Here are Bray's TD/Int ratios in every game of singnificance that he was the starter or played most of the game

2010:
USC - 2/1
Ole Miss - 3/0
Vandy - 2/2
UK - 2/2
UNC - 4/3

2011:
UF - 3/2
UGA - 0/0
Vandy - 2/2
UK - 1/2

Total: 19/14

And you people think he's "all world". He hasn't proven anything yet except that, like Dools, he can club the baby seals on the schedule
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You can't use Vandy and Kentucky, he was obviously not 100%.
 
#81
#81
StlCardinals2618 said:
Maybe he was just trying to get the team up or maybe he didn't care about the game. We don't know. We aren't at practice everyday with him and we aren't on the sidelines with him, so for someone to say he is a bad leader is just stupid.

What i do know is that when he came back, every reporter and player interviewed talked about how great it was to see him at practice again and how it rejuvenated life into the team. That seems like a leader to me.
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He seems like one to me, too. I was excited to see him on the field at the Vandy game and I know many were happy to have him back. Maybe it was too soon for those games, injury-wise, but you could tell he wanted to be there and was in great spirits.
 
#83
#83
FlyTNGuy said:
]Your "games of significance" stats are pretty subjective,[/B] but in addition to that, mistakes don't only include INTs. I think they also include taking bad sacks, fumbling the ball, not throwing the ball away at certain times, staring down receivers, etc. I think he's done a good job at limiting mistakes through his Sophomore year...
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How exactly are TD/Int ratios subjective? Hmmm. Leadership? That's subjective, but stats?
 
#86
#86
FlyTNGuy said:
Your "games of significance" stats are pretty subjective, but in addition to that, mistakes don't only include INTs. I think they also include taking bad sacks, fumbling the ball, not throwing the ball away at certain times, staring down receivers, etc. I think he's done a good job at limiting mistakes through his Sophomore year...
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People forget this key bit of info
 
#87
#87
Wait and see when he has weapons back, no QB is good with no receivers. Wait until next year and ask them same friends who they would rather have now.
 
#89
#89
Strizzle said:
Most importantly, I am a UT alumni and bleed orange. Several of my close friends are Uga and Aub grads and they all find it very comical that Vol fans and media were/are hyping Bray as a premiere qb in the SEC. They all tell me I need to wake up and take my orange tinted glasses off. I have to finally admit that his resume thus far isn't very compelling. Here is what they said:

Here's there argument as to why Bray is overhyped and a joke:
1. He hasnt beaten a ranked team or even been close(within a TD) and he does the throat slash and other cocky gestures when he has had 2 losing seasons.
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I remember him doing it last year but not this one. He grew up. You might want to recommend that to your friends.
2. He slings the ball up for grabs alot and UT's receivers make him look alot better than he is. He could have easily had 6 int's vs a weak Fla team.
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Bray lost the best WR in then SEC at the beginning of the game. They had worked together all summer.

Bray takes chances with the ball. There's no question about it. He also has the ability to put the ball in a remarkably small... ELITE... window. Few at any level are better than he is at doing that.

BTW, your friends might want to update their football knowledge with the back shoulder fade/throw. Bray does it as well as anyone in college football.
3. He is a subpar leader who doesnt inspire his teammates to work harder. It was obvious he couldnt care less about losing to a God awful Ky team and ending the streak. He lacks the maturity and/or drive to lead by example.
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There was division on the team. The young guys vs the old guys. Bray had only one real option at WR and was playing with 102 fever and a broken thumb. The pansies you are talking to would call in sick.... Bray played football.
4. They rank him as the 4th best qb in the SEC. They would all prefer Murray, Tyler Wilson and Connor Shaw over Bray.
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OK.
5. UT finished 11th in the SEC and is getting embarassingly worse...end of story.
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Is that your comment or theirs? UT is rebuilding and experienced critical injuries that even the best teams in the SEC could not have handled. If this really came from your friends... write it on your calendar. You will get a chance to bring it up again.

As much as it pains me to say, they have some valid points...I think the jury is still out on Bray.
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Not as a passer. He is an elite passer. When healthy, none of the guys mentioned come close to throwing with the velocity or accuracy that Bray does.

They failed to mention his true weakness. He doesn't manage the offense and particularly the run game very well. Had Hunter and Bray stayed healthy all year... UT would have had the SEC's best passing O by a very wide margin.
 
#90
#90
Are these the same people that say Murray is the best QB? After watching Murray play, I would take Bray over him any day.

Everyone seems to forget Bray is only a SO and missed significant time this year. His numbers prior to his injury were some of the best in the nation. Is he perfect, no. But show me a Sophomore that is.
 
#91
#91
Over-rated? I don't think we have a strong enough amount of usable data to make that claim yet. Injuries to him, receivers, coaching flubs, playing against the best defenses in the nation, etc. don't allow an accurate accounting of his talents. HOWEVER, We were ALL quick to anoint him "the Messiah" as soon as he stepped on the football field. We needed one and wanted one so bad we put that title on him to make OURSELVES feel better about how this season was going to go.
 
#94
#94
Strizzle said:
1. He hasnt beaten a ranked team or even been close(within a TD) and he does the throat slash and other cocky gestures when he has had 2 losing seasons.
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2 losing seasons? You realize as a starter Bray isn't even close to having a losing record, right?
 
#95
#95
This is why we will never be the tennesse of old bray is mentally weak and that was displayed in the kentucky game. The Qb position is a celebral position expecially for bray a guy who cant run or make any athletic moves. Yes I am a fan and I can honestly say that murray wilson and shaw are better. Bray is not a heisman canidate until he proves it he is overated by ut fans. But he has the ability to be the best in the sec he just got alot of wo rk to do. Expecially in the film room and weight room.
 
#97
#97
fade route said:
How exactly are TD/Int ratios subjective? Hmmm. Leadership? That's subjective, but stats?
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What's subjective is that some of the games you listed as part of your TD/INT stats could be signifcant games to some and insignificant to others...i.e. excluding Cincy and including Vandy and KY.

I broke my arm/wrist the same day Bray did. I'm no Orthopedist, and the radius I broke is obviously larger and probably takes more time to heal than a thumb fracture, but I will tell you, throwing a ball with that arm would not have been pleasant for me on November 19th and 26th...IMHO
 
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