Bray has been overrated

#51
#51
The fact they say he's the 4th best QB in the SEC (the best conference in football) and he was a Sophomore this year... Yeah, they kind of just shot their foot with that argument.

He'll be a first round draft pick. No doubt.
 
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Strizzle said:
Most importantly, I am a UT alumni and bleed orange. Several of my close friends are Uga and Aub grads and they all find it very comical that Vol fans and media were/are hyping Bray as a premiere qb in the SEC. They all tell me I need to wake up and take my orange tinted glasses off. I have to finally admit that his resume thus far isn't very compelling. Here is what they said:

Here's there argument as to why Bray is overhyped and a joke:
1. He hasnt beaten a ranked team or even been close(within a TD) and he does the throat slash and other cocky gestures when he has had 2 losing seasons.
2. He slings the ball up for grabs alot and UT's receivers make him look alot better than he is. He could have easily had 6 int's vs a weak Fla team.
3. He is a subpar leader who doesnt inspire his teammates to work harder. It was obvious he couldnt care less about losing to a God awful Ky team and ending the streak. He lacks the maturity and/or drive to lead by example.
4. They rank him as the 4th best qb in the SEC. They would all prefer Murray, Tyler Wilson and Connor Shaw over Bray.
5. UT finished 11th in the SEC and is getting embarassingly worse...end of story.

As much as it pains me to say, they have some valid points...I think the jury is still out on Bray.
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I very much agree with ya,Bray is overrated and immature im not sold on the guy being a team leader.I would start J.Worley next season over Bray i think Worley will end up being the better Qb.
 
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Strizzle said:
Most importantly, I am a UT alumni and bleed orange. Several of my close friends are Uga and Aub grads and they all find it very comical that Vol fans and media were/are hyping Bray as a premiere qb in the SEC. They all tell me I need to wake up and take my orange tinted glasses off. I have to finally admit that his resume thus far isn't very compelling. Here is what they said:

Here's there argument as to why Bray is overhyped and a joke:
1. He hasnt beaten a ranked team or even been close(within a TD) and he does the throat slash and other cocky gestures when he has had 2 losing seasons.
2. He slings the ball up for grabs alot and UT's receivers make him look alot better than he is. He could have easily had 6 int's vs a weak Fla team.
3. He is a subpar leader who doesnt inspire his teammates to work harder. It was obvious he couldnt care less about losing to a God awful Ky team and ending the streak. He lacks the maturity and/or drive to lead by example.
4. They rank him as the 4th best qb in the SEC. They would all prefer Murray, Tyler Wilson and Connor Shaw over Bray.
5. UT finished 11th in the SEC and is getting embarassingly worse...end of story.

As much as it pains me to say, they have some valid points...I think the jury is still out on Bray.
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Of course they do! That is why they are UGA/AUBURN fans. They are going to give you a hard time, especially right now! I personally like point #5 because it really adds to your post and the hundreds of others that have been written on this subject. :)
 
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tvols75 said:
I love the threads that start with "I am an alumni. I bleed orange." Just a tidbit for those interested, that beginning statement doesn't exclude all the other dumb things that follow.
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Yeah, but it sure makes him dedicated.
 
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rdechols said:
Of course they do! That is why they are UGA/AUBURN fans. They are going to give you a hard time, especially right now! I personally like point #5 because it really adds to your post and the hundreds of others that have been written on this subject. :)
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After pounding the Bray kool-aid all year, I am taking the wait and see approach. He hasnt shown enough consistency/leadership to call him an elite sec qb thus far.
 
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Strizzle said:
Most importantly, I am a UT alumni and bleed orange. Several of my close friends are Uga and Aub grads and they all find it very comical that Vol fans and media were/are hyping Bray as a premiere qb in the SEC. They all tell me I need to wake up and take my orange tinted glasses off. I have to finally admit that his resume thus far isn't very compelling. Here is what they said:

Here's there argument as to why Bray is overhyped and a joke:
1. He hasnt beaten a ranked team or even been close(within a TD) and he does the throat slash and other cocky gestures when he has had 2 losing seasons.
2. He slings the ball up for grabs alot and UT's receivers make him look alot better than he is. He could have easily had 6 int's vs a weak Fla team.
3. He is a subpar leader who doesnt inspire his teammates to work harder. It was obvious he couldnt care less about losing to a God awful Ky team and ending the streak. He lacks the maturity and/or drive to lead by example.
4. They rank him as the 4th best qb in the SEC. They would all prefer Murray, Tyler Wilson and Connor Shaw over Bray.
5. UT finished 11th in the SEC and is getting embarassingly worse...end of story.

As much as it pains me to say, they have some valid points...I think the jury is still out on Bray.
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.....yawn.....zzzzzzzzzzzz :snoring:
 
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Strizzle said:
Most importantly, I am a UT alumni and bleed orange. Several of my close friends are Uga and Aub grads and they all find it very comical that Vol fans and media were/are hyping Bray as a premiere qb in the SEC. They all tell me I need to wake up and take my orange tinted glasses off. I have to finally admit that his resume thus far isn't very compelling. Here is what they said:

Here's there argument as to why Bray is overhyped and a joke:
1. He hasnt beaten a ranked team or even been close(within a TD) and he does the throat slash and other cocky gestures when he has had 2 losing seasons.
2. He slings the ball up for grabs alot and UT's receivers make him look alot better than he is. He could have easily had 6 int's vs a weak Fla team.
3. He is a subpar leader who doesnt inspire his teammates to work harder. It was obvious he couldnt care less about losing to a God awful Ky team and ending the streak. He lacks the maturity and/or drive to lead by example.
4. They rank him as the 4th best qb in the SEC. They would all prefer Murray, Tyler Wilson and Connor Shaw over Bray.
5. UT finished 11th in the SEC and is getting embarassingly worse...end of story.

As much as it pains me to say, they have some valid points...I think the jury is still out on Bray.
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First, tell your "friends" to enjoy it now while they can. We are on the rise. We hit bottom. It's all up from here. Tell your Au friend they sucked pretty bad this year too. Not like us, but still sucked.

Second, get over the Ky loss. Bray had a broke thumb and was very sick. He required multiple I.V.'s before the game to even play from what I heard. It was an overall bad performance, but looking at the big picture (which is hard to do) it will help us more than it hurt us.

Third, the throat slash stuff was the freshman year. None since then that I'm aware of. Bray is stepping up to be a leader now. He will be one of the best in the SEC and possibly the country this year...if he gets and stays healthy.

Go vols.
 
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Strizzle said:
Most importantly, I am a UT alumni and bleed orange. Several of my close friends are Uga and Aub grads and they all find it very comical that Vol fans and media were/are hyping Bray as a premiere qb in the SEC. They all tell me I need to wake up and take my orange tinted glasses off. I have to finally admit that his resume thus far isn't very compelling. Here is what they said:

Here's there argument as to why Bray is overhyped and a joke:
1. He hasnt beaten a ranked team or even been close(within a TD) and he does the throat slash and other cocky gestures when he has had 2 losing seasons.
2. He slings the ball up for grabs alot and UT's receivers make him look alot better than he is. He could have easily had 6 int's vs a weak Fla team.
3. He is a subpar leader who doesnt inspire his teammates to work harder. It was obvious he couldnt care less about losing to a God awful Ky team and ending the streak. He lacks the maturity and/or drive to lead by example.
4. They rank him as the 4th best qb in the SEC. They would all prefer Murray, Tyler Wilson and Connor Shaw over Bray.
5. UT finished 11th in the SEC and is getting embarassingly worse...end of story.

As much as it pains me to say, they have some valid points...I think the jury is still out on Bray.
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before he was hurt he had 14 td's to 2 int's. If you want to know why he hasn't beaten a ranked team you might want to look at the coaching record of one DD. He is the one where the damn blame belongs and when you have absolutely NO running game no QB alive can win on his own. Tell your friends to go to hell.
 
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fade route said:
I'll bet the farm Wilson out-performs Bray next year....of course there will always be posters like yourself posting crap like "any QB can succeed in Petrino's offense, blah, excuse, blah, excuse". Besides, I thought Arkansas' NFL receivers were overrated according to so many posters in the week leading up to our 49-7 beatdown
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Wilson has the luxury of throwing to legit WRs and playing in a great system. That's not being a homer, that's a fact.

Anyone saying those WRs were overrated were dumb.
 
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Strizzle said:
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2. He slings the ball up for grabs alot and UT's receivers make him look alot better than he is. He could have easily had 6 int's vs a weak Fla team.
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I've never seen a truly great QB who didn't rely on his receivers to make plays and have the ability to understand which plays they can make. The argument "His touchdowns SHOULD NOT have been touchdowns" or "He SHOULD HAVE had 6 ints" is nonsense. One of the things that goes into finding the right receiver is seeing who's going to be defending whom. ("Hmmm. Loser DB is on Hunter, so even if I throw a bad ball it's doubtful they'll be able to pick it off.") If the choices and throws really are that bad, then there WILL BE a 6 interception game somewhere up the road (but there won't be). What I'm hearing is that Bray's lucky because his passes aren't intercepted and often go for touchdowns. His receivers make him look better? Then how do you explain Matt Simms with the same receivers, or Worley, for that matter? It would be just as easy to say, Bray sure did make those receivers look good. (In fact, I would say that Denarius Moore owes his pro career to Bray and Chaney.)

He certainly has a "high risk, big rewards" approach, but as to randomly slinging the ball up for grabs, the numbers say otherwise.

Now, on to the thread title:
"Overrated"? By whom? Where is this mysterious "rating"? The All-Sec team seems to be Wilson and Murray one and two.

As far as comparisons go: Bray started off the year as hot as anybody in the country. The Florida game (when Hunter went down on the first series) was still one of the top passing performances against Florida all year: Bray was 26 of 48 for 288 with 3 tds and 2 ints (again, without Hunter); Murray against Florida was 15 of 34 for 169 with 2 tds and 1 int. I'd take Bray's game over Murray's.
 
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fade route said:
CledusMS3 said:
My ability to evaluate production and wins and loses is spot on, though
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Atleast you've come to grips with your deficiency. Now if you read a book about football, you might realize that it's a team sport and the 2011 Vols were very young, inexperienced and not as good as LSU, Alabama, or Arkansas or even UK on that day.
All the negavols ever contribute is that another coaching change is needed or that Worley or Sims needs to start. Start looking at the grotesque lack of upperclassmen talent and gaping holes in the depth and you might actually come up with something constructive to say. All you do now is provide future entertainment when all these posts are reposted for laughs once we're in the middle of next season.
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He is easily one of the better QBs we've had over the past decade, and we still have yet to see him play as a Junior/Senior...give the kid a break...great arm, exciting to watch, and doesn't make a ton of horrible mistakes. What do you want? Tell your "friends" to watch him in 2012!...they have no idea!
 
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Strizzle said:
After pounding the Bray kool-aid all year, I am taking the wait and see approach. He hasnt shown enough consistency/leadership to call him an elite sec qb thus far.
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Leadership and consistency I can understand. You wouldn't be rational if you gave it all without raising caution. But to reiterate that UT is poor and Bray is overrated and on and on...doesn't help. Here are the stats:

University of Tennessee Athletics: Football

He missed five games, four of which, could have added to those stats regardless of what took place; we will never know what he could have done at those games. He had a crappier year because of something outside his control. I will give you the UK game because it was evident that the whole team was off kilter, including Bray. Building leadership is something he will have to work on if he wants to bring the team together, but that is the responsibility of the entire upperclass, not just one player. Elite? Maybe not right now. But he is still one of the best QB's in the SEC. I don't care who your friends are. I will never be a QB in college football because girls aren't too popular with that unless they are in their undies :), but I imagine it's pretty frustrating to be standing on the sidelines during some of the most crucial games in your school's career and you can't do a damn thing but watch. I imagine it's ten times worse than being in the stands or watching on tv.
 
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#66
when you can't run the ball worth squat, your passing game is going to suffer unless you have a passing genius running the show.
 
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Real is Real this is a thread that is honest and true. He has a long way to go and some people especially on this board have already crowned him and he hasnt beat anyone good. He has potential but bottom line he has to get it done!
 
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#70
Yeah. Overrated. How many qb's have seen the field this much at this point of their career
 
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FlyTNGuy said:
He is easily one of the better QBs we've had over the past decade, and we still have yet to see him play as a Junior/Senior...give the kid a break...great arm, exciting to watch, and doesn't make a ton of horrible mistakes. What do you want? Tell your "friends" to watch him in 2012!...they have no idea!
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What??

Here are Bray's TD/Int ratios in every game of singnificance that he was the starter or played most of the game

2010:
USC - 2/1
Ole Miss - 3/0
Vandy - 2/2
UK - 2/2
UNC - 4/3

2011:
UF - 3/2
UGA - 0/0
Vandy - 2/2
UK - 1/2

Total: 19/14

And you people think he's "all world". He hasn't proven anything yet except that, like Dools, he can club the baby seals on the schedule
 
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Strizzle said:
Most importantly, I am a UT alumni and bleed orange. Several of my close are Uga and Aub grads and they all find it very comical that Vol fans and media were/are hyping Bray as a premiere qb in the SEC. They all tell me I need to wake up and take my orange tinted glasses off. I have to finally admit that his resume thus far isn't very compelling. Here is what they said:

Here's there argument as to why Bray is overhyped and a joke:
1. He hasnt beaten a ranked team or even been close(within a TD) and he does the throat slash and other cocky gestures when he has had 2 losing seasons.
2. He slings the ball up for grabs alot and UT's receivers make him look alot better than he is. He could have easily had 6 int's vs a weak Fla team.
3. He is a subpar leader who doesnt inspire his teammates to work harder. It was obvious he couldnt care less about losing to a God awful Ky team and ending the streak. He lacks the maturity and/or drive to lead by example.
4. They rank him as the 4th best qb in the SEC. They would all prefer Murray, Tyler Wilson and Connor Shaw over Bray.
5. UT finished 11th in the SEC and is getting embarassingly worse...end of story.

As much as it pains me to say, they have some valid points...I think the jury is still out on Bray.
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How in the world can you say that? You have no idea what kind of leader Bray is because you don't hear him on the field or at practice. You have no idea what goes on in that huddle so for you to make a claim like that is stupid.
 
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Strizzle said:
Most importantly, I am a UT alumni and bleed orange. Several of my close are Uga and Aub grads and they all find it very comical that Vol fans and media were/are hyping Bray as a premiere qb in the SEC. They all tell me I need to wake up and take my orange tinted glasses off. I have to finally admit that his resume thus far isn't very compelling. Here is what they said:

Here's there argument as to why Bray is overhyped and a joke:
1. He hasnt beaten a ranked team or even been close(within a TD) and he does the throat slash and other cocky gestures when he has had 2 losing seasons.
2. He slings the ball up for grabs alot and UT's receivers make him look alot better than he is. He could have easily had 6 int's vs a weak Fla team.
3. He is a subpar leader who doesnt inspire his teammates to work harder. It was obvious he couldnt care less about losing to a God awful Ky team and ending the streak. He lacks the maturity and/or drive to lead by example.
4. They rank him as the 4th best qb in the SEC. They would all prefer Murray, Tyler Wilson and Connor Shaw over Bray.
5. UT finished 11th in the SEC and is getting embarassingly worse...end of story.

As much as it pains me to say, they have some valid points...I think the jury is still out on Bray.
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Also, how are you going to say he should have had 6 picks against Florida. If they don't intercept it, then its not an interception. Im sure you can look back and see alot quarterbacks have dropped picks. Its not anything new.

Btw, Cincy was a ranked team
 
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