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skeeter33418 said:
we face alot of 7-8 man boxes now, thats what killed cincy, we had the horses to make them pay. if you noticed in the uf game, they dropped 7 back in coverage, soon as hunter went out it was 7-8 in the box. could tell they watched the cincy film and decided to try and stop the pass, hunter went down and they changed it up.
our 4 sophs also have a hard time picking up the blitzes on a run play. they will not get pushed around next year nearly as bad. the third year in the s&c program is the magic year for olinemen. go look at the oline depth chart on the top teams in the country, you'll see one common denominator.
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This is what has pissed me off the most this year. It was so easy to shift and shut us down after losing Hunter.

The blueprint was made and everyone since has perfected it.

I really think with Hunter, Bray and Rogers in the lineup this offense is a lot more potent and will impose their will on a defense if they try to stop the pass. They will just take 8 yards gains all day long on the ground.

You put 7-8 in the box and you get torched by Bray.

Barring injuries next year's offense will be able to score on anyone and often.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
This is what has pissed me off the most this year. It was so easy to shift and shut us down after losing Hunter.

The blueprint was made and everyone since has perfected it.

I really think with Hunter, Bray and Rogers in the lineup this offense is a lot more potent and will impose their will on a defense if they try to stop the pass. They will just take 8 yards gains all day long on the ground.

You put 7-8 in the box and you get torched by Bray.

Barring injuries next year's offense will be able to score on anyone and often.
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Absolutely. I actually read a Bill Connolly article on how to take down Alabama*, and a healthy Tennessee team is PERFECTLY built to do it. A shame we didn't get to see it this year, but I'm excited to see it next year. Although I'll still be really scared about next year if we don't make a bowl.



*the blueprint: take deep shots down the field in the passing game, make big plays, and stack the box against the run on defense, keeping a free safety back to prevent huge plays. That sounds exactly like Tennessee with Bray, Hunter, and Janzen.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
This is what has pissed me off the most this year. It was so easy to shift and shut us down after losing Hunter.

The blueprint was made and everyone since has perfected it.

I really think with Hunter, Bray and Rogers in the lineup this offense is a lot more potent and will impose their will on a defense if they try to stop the pass. They will just take 8 yards gains all day long on the ground.

You put 7-8 in the box and you get torched by Bray.

Barring injuries next year's offense will be able to score on anyone and often.
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Injuries happen to every team, it's that team's ability to overcome them that separate the mediocre teams from the good-great teams. We will have some of the guys in the system for 2-3 years, injuries can't be made into an excuse next season.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It's mostly about technique and being disciplined. Our line just doesn't hold their blocks long enough, and some of these guys have been on campus for 2 years. Plus, we heard all this improvement in lifting numbers from last year to this year, yet it doesn't seem to matter. The strength isn't the problem necessarily, it's more the technique, discipline, and offensive philosophy getting in the way.
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There's a big reason why back in their halcyon days, Nebraska kept their OL mostly on the shelf until they'd been there three years. It wasn't a coaching thing. It's because once you're 20, 21 years old and your upper body has matured and you've been in a good S&C program for three years, you're a hell of a lot more capable of pushing people around than anybody recently out of high school. There's no such thing as a good young offensive line.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Injuries happen to every team, it's that team's ability to overcome them that separate the mediocre teams from the good-great teams. We will have some of the guys in the system for 2-3 years, injuries can't be made into an excuse next season.
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next year we'll have a kid like arnett to help out. this years hes a true freshman doing his best.
 
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CWGvol said:
Somebody put that kermit the frog going crazy pic up! I cant find it, but thats how I will feel if this is true!
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OK. :hi:

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Hilarious, IMO.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
There's a big reason why back in their halcyon days, Nebraska kept their OL mostly on the shelf until they'd been there three years. It wasn't a coaching thing. It's because once you're 20, 21 years old and your upper body has matured and you've been in a good S&C program for three years, you're a hell of a lot more capable of pushing people around than anybody recently out of high school. There's no such thing as a good young offensive line.
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This is generally true, but leverage ad technique are a bigger deal than we're making it out to be.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Ummm, I watched the video of him throwing on VolQuest. He threw about 15 deep balls and completed about 3 against no defenders. He underthrew one by about 10 yards. He was 1 of 3 on 5 yard slants against air.

To say he was very accurate is at best completely inaccurate.
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Staged for the media? :loco:
 
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skeeter33418 said:
next year we'll have a kid like arnett to help out. this years hes a true freshman doing his best.
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We have Charlie Baggett as our WR coach, if Arnett is the only one who is developed enough in the scheme and playbook to play, then we have bigger problems than depth.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
We have Charlie Baggett as our WR coach, if Arnett is the only one who is developed enough in the scheme and playbook to play, then we have bigger problems than depth.
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lol..the difference from last year and this year with rodgers and hunter is like night and day. hunter actually knows the playbook now and ran nice crisp routes. arnett is ahead of either of those two at the same point as freshman. of course i wouldnt expect most of you to realize that. all hunter could do as a freshman was run straight down the field and out jump someone for a ball.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This is generally true, but leverage ad technique are a bigger deal than we're making it out to be.
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I'm taking for granted that there had better be decent OL coaching or Dooley will be out of a job, and I think he's smart enough to know that. Poor OL coaching is one of the big factors that led to Fulmer's demise. I just don't think that this OL would have been very good this year no matter who was coaching them. Too young.
 
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skeeter33418 said:
lol..the difference from last year and this year with rodgers and hunter is like night and day. hunter actually knows the playbook now and ran nice crisp routes. arnett is ahead of either of those two at the same point as freshman. of course i wouldnt expect most of you to realize that. all hunter could do as a freshman was run straight down the field and out jump someone for a ball.
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I understand what you are saying, but we have to have some development from start to finish. I haven't seen many players, save Maggitt and Johnson, that have really progressed this season. It's what a lot of people have noticed. We may not be privileged to see a lot of things up close, but the product on the field is what we see, and it's not been good at all since the Florida game really. At some point, we have to see players step up on offense, and no one really has taken that step forward.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I'm taking for granted that there had better be decent OL coaching or Dooley will be out of a job, and I think he's smart enough to know that. Poor OL coaching is one of the big factors that led to Fulmer's demise. I just don't think that this OL would have been very good this year no matter who was coaching them. Too young.
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Coaching wasn't the problem, the lack of quality kids to coach was. Their OL recruiting was horrendous from '06 and up.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Coaching wasn't the problem, the lack of quality kids to coach was. Their OL recruiting was horrendous from '06 and up.
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The Jimmy Ray Stephens hire and the philosophy of blimp O-linemen that couldn't run was the beginning of the end IMO.
 
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GAVol said:
The Jimmy Ray Stephens hire and the philosophy of blimp O-linemen that couldn't run was the beginning of the end IMO.
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That was an epic fail from Fulmer himself. I've heard stories about Johnny Long screaming at the top of his lungs at Fulmer, because Fulmer got the big idea to get the O-line to look like the Titans o-line. Then, Fulmer decided to get them smaller when they weren't able to stay with the SEC speed rushes.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I understand what you are saying, but we have to have some development from start to finish. I haven't seen many players, save Maggitt and Johnson, that have really progressed this season. It's what a lot of people have noticed. We may not be privileged to see a lot of things up close, but the product on the field is what we see, and it's not been good at all since the Florida game really. At some point, we have to see players step up on offense, and no one really has taken that step forward.
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wilcox only has about 60% of his defense implemented, its just to much for the young guys. the offense is alot more complex than years past as well, it may not look like it but it is. this is going to be a very good team in the near future. we may have a couple of coaches change positions along the way or maybe one replaced, but we'll be alrite.
 
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skeeter33418 said:
wilcox only has about 60% of his defense implemented, its just to much for the young guys. the offense is alot more complex than years past as well, it may not look like it but it is. this is going to be a very good team in the near future. we may have a couple of coaches change positions along the way or maybe one replaced, but we'll be alrite.
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So, in 2 years we only have 60% of our defense installed?? Sometimes too much can be bad.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
So, in 2 years we only have 60% of our defense installed?? Sometimes too much can be bad.
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agreed. They're only hear for 4. If a defense aint learnable in 1 then something is seriously wrong.

It's not like Wilcox was coachin rhodes scholars at Boise. That 60% number just can't be true.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I understand what you are saying, but we have to have some development from start to finish. I haven't seen many players, save Maggitt and Johnson, that have really progressed this season. It's what a lot of people have noticed. We may not be privileged to see a lot of things up close, but the product on the field is what we see, and it's not been good at all since the Florida game really. At some point, we have to see players step up on offense, and no one really has taken that step forward.
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Disagree totally...

Arnett couldn't see the field early, even as a #3 and now he's arguably our #2...Jackson has overtaken Stone, has been killing people lately and is likely a mainstay on the OL for the rest of his career...Lanier couldn't beat out Teague early and now he's a starter...Moore has gone from the pine to starting at the nickel...Worley's mechanics have completely changed, he now has a legit arm...Waggner couldn't tackle air now he's a legit tackler...Carson went from out of shape to a contributor...Couch went from out of shape to a starter and future star...Walls couldn't sniff the QB early now he's getting legit pressure...Coleman couldn't cover Montanas WR's now he's made his way back to the starting lineup...Brian Randolph, enough said...Devrin Young and our return game, enough said...

The progress is there...the problem is it's hard for some people to see it when it's not accompanied by wins
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
So, in 2 years we only have 60% of our defense installed?? Sometimes too much can be bad.
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Sometimes but its more likely that the average fan has no real idea how much goes into an offense or a defense. I mean, the game is on a basic level, about dominating the man in front of you, but there is so much more that goes on from a cerebral standpoint that most couldn't understand without playing the game for years.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
agreed. They're only hear for 4. If a defense aint learnable in 1 then something is seriously wrong.

It's not like Wilcox was coachin rhodes scholars at Boise. That 60% number just can't be true. If it is, there's something wrong.
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Why would you install a complex defense when most of the players are too inexperienced to digest it and/or too physically limited to run the complicated parts of it?
 
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WesternKyVol said:
agreed. They're only hear for 4. If a defense aint learnable in 1 then something is seriously wrong.

It's not like Wilcox was coachin rhodes scholars at Boise. That 60% number just can't be true.
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It has alot to do with having the right guys also. It's not just understanding the play call.
 
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