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#951
luthervol said:
That's it. See no big deal. If the same person reports stolen guns again two months later, add a red flag to his name. If the same person reports stolen guns a third time....something is up.
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A criminal wouldn't report it at all if that is your logic.

And if I do have guns stolen on different occasions, does that necessarily mean I'm a gun runner or a reckless owner? I could have my carry gun sitting in the car outside of a non-carry establishment and have the car stolen. 2 years later, have my house broken into and have those guns stolen. Does that automatically put me on a list for being a victim of crime?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A criminal wouldn't report it at all if that is your logic.

And if I do have guns stolen on different occasions, does that necessarily mean I'm a gun runner or a reckless owner? I could have my carry gun sitting in the car outside of a non-carry establishment and have the car stolen. 2 years later, have my house broken into and have those guns stolen. Does that automatically put me on a list for being a victim of crime?
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Of course a criminal is not going to report it.

Under your two scenarios you would be fine. As long as the theft is reported in a timely manner.
 
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luthervol said:
You just proved the validity of my point. If the original owner is no longer in possession of the gun either a) it should have been immediately reported as stolen or b) the gun should have been legally (officially) transferred to the new owner. Amazingly enough, when guns are confiscated in crimes and the original owner is contacted, they frequently report it as stolen but never reported. Interesting.
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And whoever died at the hands of it are still dead.

The proposal your after is aimed to do what again?
 
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evillawyer said:
Without a doubt, insurgents can be pesky, but they've never posed an existential threat to the US government. Additionally, these insurgents had things beyond military grade guns to work with.
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Not true. The civil war was an "insurgency". I believe it gave the feds some attention. Not to mention that this country was founded as the result of an "insurgance".
 
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#958
Vol8188 said:
It worked for drugs
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It is illegal to resale prescription drugs. Are you saying it should not be illegal?

Also, should you be able to buy unlimited amounts of a prescription drug?

Should you be allowed to buy the drug with no prescription?
 
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luthervol said:
It is illegal to resale prescription drugs. Are you saying it should not be illegal?
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I said none of those things. The point I was making is that regulating drugs has not prevented criminals for having access to drugs.

But since I don’t avoid questions like yourself, I’ll answer. Prescription drugs shouldn’t exist and I should be able to sell anything that I own.
 
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luthervol said:
reduce the number of guns making their way into the hands of criminals
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That isn’t what you want Luth. Never has been in this thread. At this point you don’t know what you want either.

You’re stated purpose isn’t to reduce the NUMBER of guns it’s the TYPE of guns. Remember the whole X over Y crap.

It has never been about reduction in the amount of guns for you in this thread. It totally about a gun grab for AR15s. You don’t even talk about AR10s nor does the MSM. It’s all AR15. And the 10 has all of the utility and versatility with considerable more lethality (7.62 vs 5.56 round)
 
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Vol8188 said:
I said none of those things. The point I was making is that regulating drugs has not prevented criminals for having access to drugs.

But since I don’t avoid questions like yourself, I’ll answer. Prescription drugs shouldn’t exist and I should be able to sell anything that I own.
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What question have you asked that I did not answer?

So your stance is that people should be able to buy and sell whatever drugs they wish? And you think we have a drug problem now.
 
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luthervol said:
reduce the number of guns making their way into the hands of criminals
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You didn't reduce it until the cops get there after the fact, no?

Unless I'm missing where the cops are running down stolen guns before they are actually used very often. It's not a car.
 
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luthervol said:
It is illegal to resale prescription drugs. Are you saying it should not be illegal?

Also, should you be able to buy unlimited amounts of a prescription drug?

Should you be allowed to buy the drug with no prescription?
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This is what talking to Luther is like
 

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#964
Gun control and boycotting the NRA are akin to chopping your d**k off because you got a girl pregnant.

Chop away, you’re only hurting yourselves.
 
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luthervol said:
What question have you asked that I did not answer?

So your stance is that people should be able to buy and sell whatever drugs they wish? And you think we have a drug problem now.
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Why don’t you use heroin? Or meth? Because it’s illegal?

Are you convinced most Americans are simply waiting for a policy change so they can start shooting up?

It’s the same with guns. Access to guns doesn’t determine if you’re going to kill someone or not. If you intend to kill someone, you’ll find a way. If you intend to use drugs you’ll find a way. Legality doesn’t change that
 
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So this discussion has had an impact on me. It didn’t make me change my views at all. Rather it focused my understanding of my own views and expanded my own interpretation of constitutional rights.

And today, after considering everything in the media and discussion, I am going FARTHER RIGHT with my own stance going forward.

I will maintain membership in the NRA and answer a donation call if they send it out. I am thinking about joining GOA too.

And I will vigorously defend against legislation mandating an unconstitutional gun grab.

That is a summary of what all this means to me.
 
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luthervol said:
What question have you asked that I did not answer?

So your stance is that people should be able to buy and sell whatever drugs they wish? And you think we have a drug problem now.
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The gun black market. One currently exists. What happens to that market if gun(s) X are not legal to sell but yet someone has to have one in a situation like this?

If you want drugs they are there to be bought. Every city, every county, every state. There is a market ( those that want and are willing to pay big) for drugs and there are plenty willing to risk for that high reward and fill it.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Make him feel better.
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It would be nice to see someone have the balls to say, I know it's not gonna cut down the number of school shootings (because it doesn't take away the will) and I'm only guessing the next guy to be less accurate or agile with a couple of hand guns.

Thank God they didn't die by an AR.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course a criminal is not going to report it.

Under your two scenarios you would be fine. As long as the theft is reported in a timely manner.
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Why do they need to know the serial number and other info?

That is what opens the door to a registry where they can seize your guns. That is what you don't understand. That is the slippery slope we are on. Plus, me notifying the police that my gun was stolen isn't going to get that gun off the streets any faster.
 
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luthervol said:
reduce the number of guns making their way into the hands of criminals
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The criminal broke into my home or car. How does me reporting the theft and the govt having all of this information about how many weapons I own address the theft?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The criminal broke into m home or car. How does me reporting the theft and the govt having all of this information about how many weapons I own address the theft?
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Once it’s reported the gun will vanish from the criminals hands through government magic
 
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luthervol said:
What question have you asked that I did not answer?

So your stance is that people should be able to buy and sell whatever drugs they wish? And you think we have a drug problem now.
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"Should" is irrelevant when they "can".

Your not changing the can as you think you are. You re just changing the how.
 
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BeecherVol said:
You didn't reduce it until the cops get there after the fact, no?

Unless I'm missing where the cops are running down stolen guns before they are actually used very often. It's not a car.
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This is my point.

Currently, Goober can legally purchase guns (unlimited amounts it seems) and resell those guns to people with no tracing. Those guns, after one or two or three sales, are being purchased by criminals. When the gun turns up in a crime, it can only be traced back to the original purchaser, Goober, who claims either "it was stolen and I never reported it" or "I sold it to some guy named Jim Bob but I don't know his last name or where he lives." My proposal would eliminate both of Goober's options. Goober would no longer be able to supply guns to the secondary market. By eliminating the Goobers we are reducing the number of guns purchased for the sole purpose of reselling on the secondary/black market.
 
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