Bowl Confusion

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orangepeopleeater

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Ok ... officially confused ...
1.if South Carolina gets picked for the Outback and Florida gets the Gator Bowl, Then does that leave the Chick-fil-A open.
2.if South Carolina gets the Chick-fil-A and Florida goes to the Gator. Who goes to the Outback?
3.if Florida goes to the Outback and South Carolina goes to the Chick-fil-A. Who gets to the Gator Bowl?

Would any of these bowls pick Tennessee over Mississippi St.?

Many know as much as I do, that it comes down to the money.
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
Ok ... officially confused ...
1.if South Carolina gets picked for the Outback and Florida gets the Gator Bowl, Then does that leave the Chick-fil-A open.
2.if South Carolina gets the Chick-fil-A and Florida goes to the Gator. Who goes to the Outback?
3.if Florida goes to the Outback and South Carolina goes to the Chick-fil-A. Who gets to the Gator Bowl?

Would any of these bowls pick Tennessee over Mississippi St.?

Many know as much as I do, that it comes down to the money.
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Mississippi St got more wins. And they did not want Tennessee last year in the Gator Bowl.
 
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rickyyrs said:
Mississippi St got more wins. And they did not want Tennessee last year in the Gator Bowl.
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I could be wrong about this but isn't this the first year in a while that the gator bowl has had affiliation with the SEC?

***Yeah just looked it up.

For the first time in 15 years, the River City will not welcome an ACC, Big East or Big 12 team or Notre Dame on Jan. 1. Instead, the Jacksonville bowl will pit an SEC and Big Ten team against each other in the first of a four-year deal.
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
Ok ... officially confused ...
1.if South Carolina gets picked for the Outback and Florida gets the Gator Bowl, Then does that leave the Chick-fil-A open.
2.if South Carolina gets the Chick-fil-A and Florida goes to the Gator. Who goes to the Outback?
3.if Florida goes to the Outback and South Carolina goes to the Chick-fil-A. Who gets to the Gator Bowl?

Would any of these bowls pick Tennessee over Mississippi St.?

Many know as much as I do, that it comes down to the money.
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Yes. Lol.
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The kicker in this whole situation is the Outback Bowl's hard-on for Florida. Just as they picked Florida "out of turn" a couple of years ago, it looks like they're going to do that again. The "fair" thing would be for South Carolina to fall no farther than the Outback Bowl. In that scenario, SC to the Outback, Florida to the Gator, and then Chick-fil-A picks between the Vols and Miss St. MSU would probably be that pick, sending UT to the Music City. But, everyone pretty much locks Florida to the Outback, which throws off the pecking order, which would apparently be to the Vols benefit this time as they would go to the Gator. Not sure why there is no talk of SC to the Gator in this scenario, but they're projected to Chick-fil-A. I have heard, as I'm sure many others have as well, that the Gator Bowl wants two teams with large fan bases (UT and Michigan fit the bill), not just for ticket sales, but tv ratings also. It may be that SC and MSU are in the same boat from that perspective, not having a large national audience.
 
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From what I understand based on this year's NCAA rules, before any 6-6 team can be selected, all teams with a winning record must fill all SEC contracted bowl slots. A bowl may select a team with one more loss or one more win than the team they are supposed to take if available, but these teams must have a winning record. Thus a 6-6 team (UT) cannot jump a team with a winning record..
 
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rickyyrs said:
Mississippi St got more wins. And they did not want Tennessee last year in the Gator Bowl.
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This is the first year since 1994 that a SEC team will be playing in the Gator Bowl. Its not that they "didn't want us"
 
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tripper said:
From what I understand based on this year's NCAA rules, before any 6-6 team can be selected, all teams with a winning record must fill all SEC contracted bowl slots. A bowl may selected a team with one more loss or one more win than the team they are supposed to take if available, but these teams must have a winning record. Thus a 6-6 team (UT) cannot jump a team with a winning record..
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I think that is the rule if a bowl is looking to go "outside of it's conference affiliation" to pick a team. I think the SEC bowls have only a gentleman's agreement beyond the Sugar and Capital One, even though there is an established pecking order. I think Outback/Cotton have the third pick (typically Outback picks an eastern team, Cotton picks a western team), but they don't have to pick SEC team #3. That's how the infatuation with Florida will punish South Carolina and you could argue it's going to punish Miss St as well, based on record.
 
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tripper said:
From what I understand based on this year's NCAA rules, before any 6-6 team can be selected, all teams with a winning record must fill all SEC contracted bowl slots. A bowl may select a team with one more loss or one more win than the team they are supposed to take if available, but these teams must have a winning record. Thus a 6-6 team (UT) cannot jump a team with a winning record..
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for the last time (as a million people on here have said the exact same thing)

no. not the case in the SEC.

its all about $$$$$$$$$
 
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tripper said:
From what I understand based on this year's NCAA rules, before any 6-6 team can be selected, all teams with a winning record must fill all SEC contracted bowl slots. A bowl may select a team with one more loss or one more win than the team they are supposed to take if available, but these teams must have a winning record. Thus a 6-6 team (UT) cannot jump a team with a winning record..
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You're half right. Here's the NCAA rules

In the case of a conference contractual affiliation, all conference teams with winning records must be placed in one of the contracted bowl games before any institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be placed in a contracted bowl game. There shall be
no contingency agreements with other sponsoring bowl organizations intended to enable an institution with a record of six wins and six losses to become eligible for those contests.

The only reference to being within one game is for the Cap One bowl and that's per SEC rules.

"The Capital One Bowl must select the team with the best overall record among non-BCS playing SEC teams, or a team within one game of the best record."
 
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GreveHaller said:
You're half right. Here's the NCAA rules

In the case of a conference contractual affiliation, all conference teams with winning records must be placed in one of the contracted bowl games before any institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be placed in a contracted bowl game. There shall be
no contingency agreements with other sponsoring bowl organizations intended to enable an institution with a record of six wins and six losses to become eligible for those contests.

The only reference to being within one game is for the Cap One bowl and that's per SEC rules.

"The Capital One Bowl must select the team with the best overall record among non-BCS playing SEC teams, or a team within one game of the best record."
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Thanks.
 
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I'm not sure that what was posted on that site is correct. Here's the full list of rules per the NCAA on teams. If anyone cares to find a rule that says a 6-6 can be picked over a 7-5 team, then point it out. I dont see it.


A deserving winning team is defined as one that wins a minimum of six games against Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) competition and has a record that includes more wins than losses. [Exception: Each year, a FBS institution may count a victory against a Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) opponent that has averaged 90 percent of the permissible maximum number of grants-in-aid per year in FCS over a rolling two-year period.]

Per NCAA Bylaw 30.9.2.1 an institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be selected for participation in a bowl game if 1) the institution or its conference has a primary contractual affiliation, which existed prior to the first contest of the applicable season, with the sponsoring bowl organization. In the case of a conference contractual affiliation, all conference teams with winning records must be placed in one of the contracted bowl games before any institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be placed in a contracted bowl game; and 2) all contractual affiliations have been fulfilled and all institutions with winning records have received bowl invitations (either through a contractual affiliation or as an at-large selection).

In the case of a conference contractual affiliation, all conference teams with winning records must be placed in one of the contracted bowl games before any institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be placed in a contracted bowl game. There shall be no contingency agreements with other sponsoring bowl organizations intended to enable an institution with a record of six wins and six losses to become eligible for those contests.FBS contests played in Hawaii are exempt from NCAA legislation limiting a season to 12 games, but this competition does count in the six-win requirement. An institution that participates in an exempt contest, however, must have more wins than losses against Division I FBS opponents to be eligible to participate in a bowl game, even if it meets the
six-win requirement.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/football/2009/09_PS_Football.pdf
 
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Jesus, I can't wait for the bowls to be announced and all this confusion to wither and die.
 
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GreveHaller said:
I'm not sure that what was posted on that site is correct. Here's the full list of rules per the NCAA on teams. If anyone cares to find a rule that says a 6-6 can be picked over a 7-5 team, then point it out. I dont see it.


A deserving winning team is defined as one that wins a minimum of six games against Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) competition and has a record that includes more wins than losses. [Exception: Each year, a FBS institution may count a victory against a Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) opponent that has averaged 90 percent of the permissible maximum number of grants-in-aid per year in FCS over a rolling two-year period.]

Per NCAA Bylaw 30.9.2.1 an institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be selected for participation in a bowl game if 1) the institution or its conference has a primary contractual affiliation, which existed prior to the first contest of the applicable season, with the sponsoring bowl organization. In the case of a conference contractual affiliation, all conference teams with winning records must be placed in one of the contracted bowl games before any institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be placed in a contracted bowl game; and 2) all contractual affiliations have been fulfilled and all institutions with winning records have received bowl invitations (either through a contractual affiliation or as an at-large selection).

In the case of a conference contractual affiliation, all conference teams with winning records must be placed in one of the contracted bowl games before any institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be placed in a contracted bowl game. There shall be no contingency agreements with other sponsoring bowl organizations intended to enable an institution with a record of six wins and six losses to become eligible for those contests.FBS contests played in Hawaii are exempt from NCAA legislation limiting a season to 12 games, but this competition does count in the six-win requirement. An institution that participates in an exempt contest, however, must have more wins than losses against Division I FBS opponents to be eligible to participate in a bowl game, even if it meets the
six-win requirement.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/football/2009/09_PS_Football.pdf
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Um the gator bowl was/is looking at UT. Do you seriously need anymore proof ......
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I don't care who we play,I'm just happy we're playing and to be honest at the start of the year I wasn't expecting to be here.
 
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orangespirit said:
Um the gator bowl was/is looking at UT. Do you seriously need anymore proof ......
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yeah because rumors aren't proof. Even if remotely true they can 'say' anything they want. Doesn't mean they can or will do it.
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GreveHaller said:
yeah because rumors aren't proof. Even if remotely true they can 'say' anything they want. Doesn't mean they can or will do it.
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Those rumors were reported from a lot of different sources.
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Again, you can "say" anything thing you'd like. Doesnt mean they will do it. Jerry Jones said he wasnt firing Wade Phillips.

So if 6-6 UT got the nod over 7-5 UF or 8-4 Miss St, they wouldnt raise h_ll and point straight to NCAA Bylaw 30.9.2.1?
 
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