Boston Children's Hospital Takes Custody of Five Children

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davethevol said:
So you would ascertain that the doctor has the ability to create life through the act of spanking?
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I said that I would not assert that they are living organisms before that. I said nothing regarding whether they are living organisms after that.
 
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davethevol said:
So if you tie a rope around your neck and cut off all circulation and you cease to live, it doesn't prove that you were a living organism?
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Correct. Once again, you have begged the question. You are attempting to offer a "proof" of life, yet you support this proof by saying something like "cease to live".
 
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davethevol said:
Would you say they are living organisms after that?
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I would say that when provided with the necessary conditions required for their vital functions to be self-sustaining and independent, their vital functions operate in a self-sustaining and independent manner, they are a living organism.
 
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therealUT said:
I would say that when provided with the necessary conditions required for their vital functions to be self-sustaining and independent, their vital functions operate in a self-sustaining and independent manner, they are a living organism.
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From that it sounds like the age is 2.
 
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therealUT said:
A fetus does not have to be a living organism to utilize oxygen. The tissues in my arm utilize the oxygen that is transferred to those tissues from oxygenated red blood cells. My arm is not a living organism.

The argument must be made that distinguishes how the fetus is "living" from that of the other tissues in the body. The argument must be made that distinguishes the difference between the living of the spermatozoon and the living of the fetus.

When you say it is alive so it must be protected, you are distinguishing that certain sort of "alive" from the "alive" that the tissues in my arm are. So, if your argument then rests on the sort of "alive" that the tissues in my arm are, then you do not, in any manner, support you main position: the fetus ought to be protected.
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Good Lord man you just made the most pathetic, illogical analogy I have ever seen. Comparing an arm to a fetus? You just failed on a massive scale.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Good Lord man you just made the most pathetic, illogical analogy I have ever seen. Comparing an arm to a fetus? You just failed on a massive scale.
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Hmm, the tissues in your arms don't utilize oxygen. Sorry to hear that. I figured that without a brain you could at least get by on brawn. Guess not. Must be tough. Good luck.
 
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Actually, the tissue of the human arm, with the exception of the epidermis, hair, and nails, are very much alive. Comprised of millions of individual cells, each one successfully carries out the seven characteristics indicative of a living organism. They are capable of movement, reproduction, sensitivity, growth, respiration, excretion, and acquiring nutrition.

Do with that what you will.

Cheers!
 
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That's horrible. Someday a judge like that will screw over the wrong family and get a vigilante justice.
 
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This is really frightening - I keep thinking there has to be more to the story but it never comes out.

How can the parents be wrong if the doctor at Tufts made the diagnosis? Where is he/she in this debate?
 
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‘Permanent’ custody of Justina Pelletier awarded to state of Massachusetts - Metro - The Boston Globe

I understand the parents were not helpful but Jesus I can understand how they'd be upset in this case. Seems like a Catch-22.

I also have a problem with the judge determining what medical condition the child has. The judge is not qualified to make this assessment and there are conflicting diagnoses. By siding with the Children's diagnosis the judge biases him/her self to see the claim of medical abuse by Children's.

Nightmare scenario
 
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volinbham said:
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‘Permanent’ custody of Justina Pelletier awarded to state of Massachusetts - Metro - The Boston Globe

I understand the parents were not helpful but Jesus I can understand how they'd be upset in this case. Seems like a Catch-22.

I also have a problem with the judge determining what medical condition the child has. The judge is not qualified to make this assessment and there are conflicting diagnoses. By siding with the Children's diagnosis the judge biases him/her self to see the claim of medical abuse by Children's.

Nightmare scenario
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Well, to be a judge you must first be a lawyer. And being a lawyer, I know many of them believe they are superior pilots to commercial airline pilots and with their perverted twisting and marginalizing of the law to pass stupid legislation once they get to elected office, I'm guessing they pretty much figure they have superior medical knowledge to the doctors as well. I bet LG is performing surgery right now.
 
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