Border Wall Thread (Merged)

[Orangedogsrule]

There are countless videos that are readily available that refute what you're saying. Trumps campaign promise was a "Great, great wall 30-40 ft high and 1,000 miles long" with the balance of the 2,000 mile border being comprised of natural barriers. He minced no words when describing it, he meant what he said and he'd build it as described if he had the chance.

Now the wall is being redefined, walked back and hopefully capitulated towards common sense approaches to immigration reform like disincentivizing them to want to come here in the first place.

Summarizing the NPR interview you seem to not have read.

..."Brandon Judd is president of the union that represents U.S. Border Patrol agents, the National Border Patrol Council."...

..."He was present to hear the president say he's going ahead with building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border,


》among other immigration measures《"...
e.g. financing, coordination, enforcing existing law.

..."JUDD ..."it's going to be a lot more secure. But what we're talking about is we're talking about a wall in strategic locations. We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better."...

..."JUDD: Well, I think the country is going to be a lot safer.

INSKEEP: A lot safer.

JUDD: I really do, yes, absolutely. I mean, I was there with what they call the angel families, families that had children that were killed by persons that were in the United States illegally. If these laws are carried out properly - and he's not talking about new laws. By the way, he's not saying that he's going to give us new laws. He's talking about enforcing the laws that are currently on the books."...

Trump wants to build an effective wall in the strategic locations where it's needed.

Currently, near 15% of the border has fences and the are ineffective. According to Judd the real plan is to approximately double that.

Illegals, from all over the world, not just Central and South America; go over, under, around, and through these existing fences. Smugglers drive up with welding rigs and cut holes through them to drive through. Where the fence has a deep drainage gully, they partially cut through the uprights of the fence then push it over to make a fine bridge.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sand...-mexico-border-fence-2014jul30-story,amp.html

But hey, the new wall speccifications were written by the agency needing the wall and OVER 600 COMPANIES are participating the design/build bid process.

All the detractors really have is they don't like Trump and his way of talking about the "beeyoutifull yuge wall". Like a pack of little yap dog they go on and on.

 

[Septic]

Summarizing the NPR interview you seem to not have read.

..."Brandon Judd is president of the union that represents U.S. Border Patrol agents, the National Border Patrol Council."...

..."He was present to hear the president say he's going ahead with building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border,


》among other immigration measures《"...
e.g. financing, coordination, enforcing existing law.

..."JUDD ..."it's going to be a lot more secure. But what we're talking about is we're talking about a wall in strategic locations. We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better."...

..."JUDD: Well, I think the country is going to be a lot safer.

INSKEEP: A lot safer.

JUDD: I really do, yes, absolutely. I mean, I was there with what they call the angel families, families that had children that were killed by persons that were in the United States illegally. If these laws are carried out properly - and he's not talking about new laws. By the way, he's not saying that he's going to give us new laws. He's talking about enforcing the laws that are currently on the books."...

Trump wants to build an effective wall in the strategic locations where it's needed.

Currently, near 15% of the border has fences and the are ineffective. According to Judd the real plan is to approximately double that.

Illegals, from all over the world, not just Central and South America; go over, under, around, and through these existing fences. Smugglers drive up with welding rigs and cut holes through them to drive through. Where the fence has a deep drainage gully, they partially cut through the uprights of the fence then push it over to make a fine bridge.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sand...-mexico-border-fence-2014jul30-story,amp.html

But hey, the new wall speccifications were written by the agency needing the wall and OVER 600 COMPANIES are participating the design/build bid process.

All the detractors really have is they don't like Trump and his way of talking about the "beeyoutifull yuge wall". Like a pack of little yap dog they go on and on.

You just said the same thing you said in your previous post. Repeating yourself doesn't change my response.

The trump wall supporters are understandably of the same mindset of trump, changing the definitions after the fact while trying to pass it off as what he really meant to begin with.

Sorry, no rational person is buying it.

He clearly stated he was going to build a 40 ft wall for 1,000 miles and that Mexico would pay for it. It would appear that he's not going to make good on either of those promises.

 

[hog88]

Exactly the problem with this country. "You're liberal, you're stupid." Plenty of smart people on both sides of the aisle.

There are smart people on both sides of the aisle, I don't know about plenty though.

 

[theFallGuy]

What's your point? What does that have to do with the statistics I provided?

I like immigrants. I have one who cleans my house twice a month. They aren't taking my jerb.

Do you pay her below or above minimum wage?

 

[Septic]

Do you pay her below or above minimum wage?

$50 cash an hour. She's there for about 2-3 hours every two weeks.

For a low skill position, she's doing ok. She does a lot of work for a group of people I know. I also have her clean my office building once a week.

Pro tip: Pay your housekeeper cash, no paper trails for potential workers compensation claims.

 

[theFallGuy]

$50 cash an hour. She's there for about 2-3 hours every two weeks.

For a low skill position, she's doing ok. She does a lot of work for a group of people I know. I also have her clean my office building once a week.

Pro tip: Pay your housekeeper cash, no paper trails for potential workers compensation claims.

maybe I need to start cleaning houses

 

[Orangedogsrule]

You just said the same thing you said in your previous post. Repeating yourself doesn't change my response.

The trump wall supporters are understandably of the same mindset of trump, changing the definitions after the fact while trying to pass it off as what he really meant to begin with.

Sorry, no rational person is buying it.

He clearly stated he was going to build a 40 ft wall for 1,000 miles and that Mexico would pay for it. It would appear that he's not going to make good on either of those promises.

No rational person ever, ever, ever, ever, took the wall to be 1000 miles of continuous construction. It was always, always, always, meant to be intermittantly built near towns or where easily accessed by transportation.

Math ain't yer strong suite is it?

Let me do a little cipherin' fer ye.

The existing fence is approximately 700 miles of our 1,989 mile long southern border. Much of that fence is easily penetrated.

700 miles is not enough. If you extend a real wall 10 miles either direction from the 35 US communities which share the border with a Mexican community, e.g. San Diego/Tijuana, El Paso/Juarez, etc you get:

35 towns×20 miles=700. Or about what already exists. But some wide towns exist between those 10 mile either side wing walls. Say 5 are 15 miles, 10 are 10 miles wide, 15 are 5 miles through town.

That's 75+100+75=(250+/-)+(700 wing wall)=950 miles of wall, with enough on either side to make it hard to hike it. This about 1000 miles is just through border towns. Then there are the easily accessed points out of towns.

More than that 1000 mile 55,40,30 foot tall by 2,4,8 foot,chariot race wide concrete wall that'll be what Trump has said he wants a concrete barrier as high as 55 feet and a "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful wall"

How long is needed?
1000 miles+/-.

How tall 55ft max.
How wide? How deep in the ground?

Engineers from all over are working on that now.

I can see you at the ocean in San Diego; dirty, tired, hair all over, your eyes buggin out, measuring wheel in hand. Yip yapping...

He lied! He lied! "It ain't 1000 miles!

 

[Septic]

No rational person ever, ever, ever, ever, took the wall to be 1000 miles of continuous construction. It was always, always, always, meant to be intermittantly built near towns or where easily accessed by transportation.

Math ain't yer strong suite is it?

Let me do a little cipherin' fer ye.

The existing fence is approximately 700 miles of our 1,989 mile long southern border. Much of that fence is easily penetrated.

700 miles is not enough. If you extend a real wall 10 miles either direction from the 35 US communities which share the border with a Mexican community, e.g. San Diego/Tijuana, El Paso/Juarez, etc you get:

35 towns×20 miles=700. Or about what already exists. But some wide towns exist between those 10 mile either side wing walls. Say 5 are 15 miles, 10 are 10 miles wide, 15 are 5 miles through town.

That's 75+100+75=(250+/-)+(700 wing wall)=950 miles of wall, with enough on either side to make it hard to hike it. This about 1000 miles is just through border towns. Then there are the easily accessed points out of towns.

More than that 1000 mile 55,40,30 foot tall by 2,4,8 foot,chariot race wide concrete wall that'll be what Trump has said he wants a concrete barrier as high as 55 feet and a "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful wall"

How long is needed?
1000 miles+/-.

How tall 55ft max.
How wide? How deep in the ground?

Engineers from all over are working on that now.

I can see you at the ocean in San Diego; dirty, tired, hair all over, your eyes buggin out, measuring wheel in hand. Yip yapping...

He lied! He lied! "It ain't 1000 miles!

So the negotiator in chief really meant that he'd build a 289 mile wall for ~$22,000,000,000? Since 1,000 miles was designated as a "natural border wall" with another 700 miles already in place?

But hey, thanks for the math lesson. :thumbsup:

I'm curious as to why anyone would think that 10 miles is too far to travel to go around a wall, if they are fleeing hundreds or thousands of miles to illegally cross a border.

You were duped and you're in the denial stage still. Only three more before you get to acceptance. I'm pulling for you.

 

[lawgator1]

No rational person ever, ever, ever, ever, took the wall to be 1000 miles of continuous construction. It was always, always, always, meant to be intermittantly built near towns or where easily accessed by transportation.

Math ain't yer strong suite is it?

Let me do a little cipherin' fer ye.

The existing fence is approximately 700 miles of our 1,989 mile long southern border. Much of that fence is easily penetrated.

700 miles is not enough. If you extend a real wall 10 miles either direction from the 35 US communities which share the border with a Mexican community, e.g. San Diego/Tijuana, El Paso/Juarez, etc you get:

35 towns×20 miles=700. Or about what already exists. But some wide towns exist between those 10 mile either side wing walls. Say 5 are 15 miles, 10 are 10 miles wide, 15 are 5 miles through town.

That's 75+100+75=(250+/-)+(700 wing wall)=950 miles of wall, with enough on either side to make it hard to hike it. This about 1000 miles is just through border towns. Then there are the easily accessed points out of towns.

More than that 1000 mile 55,40,30 foot tall by 2,4,8 foot,chariot race wide concrete wall that'll be what Trump has said he wants a concrete barrier as high as 55 feet and a "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful wall"

How long is needed?
1000 miles+/-.

How tall 55ft max.
How wide? How deep in the ground?

Engineers from all over are working on that now.

I can see you at the ocean in San Diego; dirty, tired, hair all over, your eyes buggin out, measuring wheel in hand. Yip yapping...

He lied! He lied! "It ain't 1000 miles!

I've read a lot of lame posts trying to defend the guy, but this takes the cake.

He never meant an actual wall along the whole border, just near towns?

Idiocy.

And I'll tell you what, if that is what he meant, it's only worse, because if there's a wall for awhile, then no wall for awhile, that's not going to be a lot of help, is it?

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Septic can't do simple math. No use trying there.

And LG is joining Septic and everyone else making it be whatever they want so they can stomp it down.

Why? Because the barrier proposed and passed during Bush admin, approved, and modified during Obama does not work. A conservative outsider running as a Republican comes along a says let's build one to work, and you guys goe frickin bug eyed crazy straining at gnats about words used to describe it. You two, and those like you (our professional forklift operator) are the reason I come back in the PF....dark political humor.

 

[lawgator1]

Septic can't do simple math. No use trying there.

And LG is joining Septic and everyone else making it be whatever they want so they can stomp it down.

Why? Because the barrier proposed and passed during Bush admin, approved, and modified during Obama does not work. A conservative outsider running as a Republican comes along a says let's build one to work, and you guys goe frickin bug eyed crazy straining at gnats about words used to describe it. You two, and those like you (our professional forklift operator) are the reason I come back in the PF....dark political humor.

Ummmmm.... You can't lay this one of on us, kiddo.

He said it.

Y'all morons bought it.

Its going to go the way of ACA repeal. A big fat maybe, the odds for it dwindling with each passing day.

And that's WITH the GOP controlling both houses and the Presidency.

 

[Septic]

Septic can't do simple math. No use trying there.

And LG is joining Septic and everyone else making it be whatever they want so they can stomp it down.

Why? Because the barrier proposed and passed during Bush admin, approved, and modified during Obama does not work. A conservative outsider running as a Republican comes along a says let's build one to work, and you guys goe frickin bug eyed crazy straining at gnats about words used to describe it. You two, and those like you (our professional forklift operator) are the reason I come back in the PF....dark political humor.

You keep saying simple math but then failing to explain what you mean.

Hey, keep moving the goalposts until the "great, great wall" turns into a hedge row. At this point trump is capitulating and cowing to his own party's legislators, like the cuck that he is.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

The wall, about 1000 miles, will replace the existing 700 miles of POS fence that does not work with another 300+/- added to that.

No person of sound mind would believe Trump meant to keep the laughably inadequate fence a couple of trucks with welding/cutting torch rigs can penetrate, cut up an use the parts for a bridge where they want too.

No person of sound mind ever thought he meant Pacific to Gulf or 1,989 miles.

Given that, no person of sound mind thought he meant start at San Diego and go 1000 miles, leaving a whole bunch unprotected. Nor at Brownsville and go 1000 miles the other way. Only a fool would think he meant a continuous wall with no breaks.

And as always, he's going to start negotiations from the greatest position and haggle each point of compromise until an agreement is reached. You guys going "bu, bu, but HE SAID ..." don't begin to see how he operates on many issues.

 

[Septic]

The wall, about 1000 miles, will replace the existing 700 miles of POS fence that does not work with another 300+/- added to that.

No person of sound mind would believe Trump meant to keep the laughably inadequate fence a couple of trucks with welding/cutting torch rigs can penetrate, cut up an use the parts for a bridge where they want too.

No person of sound mind ever thought he meant Pacific to Gulf or 1,989 miles.

Given that, no person of sound mind thought he meant start at San Diego and go 1000 miles, leaving a whole bunch unprotected. Nor at Brownsville and go 1000 miles the other way. Only a fool would think he meant a continuous wall with no breaks.

And as always, he's going to start negotiations from the greatest position and haggle each point of compromise until an agreement is reached. You guys going "bu, bu, but HE SAID ..." don't begin to see how he operates on many issues.

Are you saying he started with the a 40 foot wall and will haggle and negotiate it down to a 36" white picket fence?

Checkmate Liberals!

 

[lawgator1]

The wall, about 1000 miles, will replace the existing 700 miles of POS fence that does not work with another 300+/- added to that.

No person of sound mind would believe Trump meant to keep the laughably inadequate fence a couple of trucks with welding/cutting torch rigs can penetrate, cut up an use the parts for a bridge where they want too.

No person of sound mind ever thought he meant Pacific to Gulf or 1,989 miles.

Given that, no person of sound mind thought he meant start at San Diego and go 1000 miles, leaving a whole bunch unprotected. Nor at Brownsville and go 1000 miles the other way. Only a fool would think he meant a continuous wall with no breaks.

And as always, he's going to start negotiations from the greatest position and haggle each point of compromise until an agreement is reached. You guys going "bu, bu, but HE SAID ..." don't begin to see how he operates on many issues.

Trump doesn't even understand what Trump means, how do you expect us to?

 

[Orangedogsrule]

So the negotiator in chief really meant that he'd build a 289 mile wall for ~$22,000,000,000? Since 1,000 miles was designated as a "natural border wall" with another 700 miles already in place?

But hey, thanks for the math lesson. :thumbsup:

I'm curious as to why anyone would think that 10 miles is too far to travel to go around a wall, if they are fleeing hundreds or thousands of miles to illegally cross a border.

You were duped and you're in the denial stage still. Only three more before you get to acceptance. I'm pulling for you.

I'm just gonna go back to this to say...based on your two sentences,
damn ol' son, you do not have the comprehension of a sack of hammers.

Oh, and some of the Border Patrol want the wall out an extra 10 miles.

That makes it a 20 mile hike for those on foot and that's a minimum 5 hour hike for a healthy adult used to the pace. Search: "How far can average person hike in a day"

With BP stations and monitoring equipment they can easily identify and interdict thos trying an end run.

By the way. I know personally, and get reports on regularly, Border Patrol agent who works one of the toughest stretches of the border. No one wants a 100% continuous end to end wall. They all want the POS fence Obama and Bush built replaced and extended outside town. And they want existing law enforced and they want the best working surveillance equipment they can get because a lot of what they got is broke. It's that danged simple.

But you go right ahead living in your la la land of Trump said this. Trump said that.

As a Centrist, I frankly don't give a damn. I don't like Trump much. But anything he is, is so far and above the Hildabeast or any other goomba the left put forward. I can't call them Democrats-that party was hi-jacked long ago.

I do agree with my Border Agent friend.

Replace the hundreds of miles of fence that don't work. Extend it out of town so agents can easily see and track suspicious behavior.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Are you saying he started with the a 40 foot wall and will haggle and negotiate it down to a 36" white picket fence?

Checkmate Liberals!

That's FOS & you know it.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

This is what you guys want to say he said.

 

[Obsessed]

This is what you guys want to say he said.

Where are the gun turrets? He specifically said gun turrets!!!

 

[hog88]

Where are the gun turrets? He specifically said gun turrets!!!

No, he said tourists, gun tourists. Come on down to the wall and shoot some illegals.

 

[Obsessed]

No, he said tourists, gun tourists. Come on down to the wall and shoot some illegals.

Ohhhh ok.

Do they supply the 50 cals?

 

[AM64]

Are you saying he started with the a 40 foot wall and will haggle and negotiate it down to a 36" white picket fence?

Checkmate Liberals!

I could be very happy with two picket fences, or just some barbed wire - with some signs and a minefield in between the fences. A flock of drones set to fire automatically on anything moving between the fences would be OK, too. It should get across the idea that there are designated crossings and no shortcuts.

 

[lawgator1]

I guess in fairness Trump should have said the wall was going to be staggered.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

I guess in fairness Trump should have said the wall was going to be staggered.

Phffft!

Here. The pre-solicition specs for the design/build competition as written.

Enjoy.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...&id=e0473479ed9cd913f4aef4bf8dc20175&_cview=0

..."Design-Build Structure
Solicitation Number: 2017-JC-RT-0001
Agency: Department of Homeland Security
Office: Customs and Border Protection
Location: Procurement Directorate - IN

This pre-solicitation notice is amended to provide additional information to interested bidders and due to a revision in strategy based on input received after the original posting:


The Dept. of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) intends on issuing a solicitation in electronic format on or after March 8, 2017 for the design and build of several prototype wall structures in the vicinity of the United States border with Mexico. Detailed requirements will be included in the RFP, but for planning we anticipate procuring concrete wall structures, nominally 30 feet tall, that will meet requirements for aesthetics, anti-climbing, and resistance to tampering or damage. This procurement will be conducted in accordance with the procedures outlined in FAR Part 36.3, Two Phase Design Build Procedures. Phase 1 of the RFP will be due on or about March 20, 2017 and will require vendors to submit a concept paper of their prototype which will result in the evaluation and down select of offerors. Phase 2 will require the down select of phase 1 offerors to submit proposals in response to the full RFP, including pricing, which will be due on or about May 3, 2017. CBP intends to issue multiple award Indefinite Delivery Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contracts. Some limited number (yet to be defined) of additional miles are contemplated to be included by completing the requirements among the successful IDIQ contract holders. The intent of this procurement is to acquire and evaluate available wall prototypes and provide some initial construction of some wall segments, but is not intended as the vehicle for the procurement of the total wall solution for the border with Mexico."...

The multi stage bid process to win heavy industrial design/build awards on this massive of a government contract has about 600+ firms applying.

I don't give a ratz azz how it's paid for. I kinda actually hope other gubbmint political dorks convince the Trumpster not to stick Mexico with the cost and we have to just to see Septic and LG's eyes pop out of their sockets.

 

[lawgator1]

Uh huh. Three months in and his main promise is now less likely.