Boosters like Butch

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JonGrudensAgent said:
Greatness isn’t achieved without years of struggle and strife. I think our fanbase [is] stupid if they think we are going to do any better at this point – today. But next year is his time to either show he has the leadership or not.

So even the unnamed booster is admitting this season has been a struggle and next season is Jones' "prove it" year??

Obviously a negavol and needs to turn in his true vol fan card.
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exactly, which, while it has a little more positive spin than Haney's piece, it still shares the same basic sentiment shared in Haney's pc, and by many fans.

and again, as long as CBJ is the coach here, i want him to do well. i'm rooting for him to succeed.

i just don't think he will given what i've seen to this point. but wanting it...yeah, i want him to be great.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Seriously? If in July or Aug how many of you on here would have been happy with 8-4 with losses to USC & Vandy? Only to have the national media, UTAD, etc. that we need a few more years of struggle & strife.
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And if you stated we beat Florida and Georgia in that jumble? Actually remember some preseason posts saying a FLORIDA win would be worth 5-6 losses...I didn't agree, but those thoughts were out there.
 
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Aerie Vol said:
What da freak?

We've played west teams at the pinnacle of their momentum for what seems like ever now.

That statement is wrong. Sorry.

AV
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agreed. Auburn the first year, Ole miss the 2nd, Ark last year, and aTm this year...LSU next year.

let me know when we get MSU on the schedule, then i'll agree.
 
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Boosters are boxed into a corner just like the new AD will be for at least 2 more years.

The $10 Million buyout is a huge problem and our boosters just finished paying off CDD.

Several things will have to go perfectly in order to get a new footVol coach.

1...Boosters will have to agree to pay the buyout of buTch.

2...Boosters will also have to agree to pay the buyout of the new coach that will be coming in.

3...Boosters will also have to agree to pay LOTS more $$$ to hire a entire new coaching class that can coach and are also very good recruiters and finding coaches that can do both is NOT a easy chore.

4...After we fire a 8 Win coach that's recruited well and rebuilt a total dumpster fire for us it's NOT going to be easy to find a top Head Coach that wants to play in the SEC and has a 1 game Loss to alaBubba every year before the season even starts.

That will take LOTS of $$$$$$ to entice a good coach away from their current job.

Add in it will also take LOTS of $$$$ to hire Coordinators and the rest of the coaching staff and making a change will be a HUGE $$$$ problem.

Add in the VERY high expectations and demands of us as a fanatical fanbase and it makes it even harder to convince a proven successful HC to want to put his name and reputation on the line by coming to coach at Tennessee.

The financial situation at UT is NOT in a very strong position yet and probably won't be for many more years so it's all on our BIG $$$$ boosters to pay the bills of any coaching changes and it seems that many of them are backing away from throwing their money at UT footVol.

Mr Blackburn or whoever takes over as our new AD is also going to be backed into a corner and damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

I also want SEC East, SEC and National Championships like everyone else does but I also understand what a huge chore it's going to be and the HUGE amount of $$$$ it's going to take to accomplish those goals.

Keep in mind that any other coaching staff we might hire also will NOT be coming with any guarantee that our beloved footVol Team will actually get any better so every time we make a coaching change it's always a guess, hope and a prayer that we'll actually get better.

Just a few things for everyone to seriously think about before posting nonstop hate, bashing and garbage on here all the time.

It's always better to keep quiet and to be thought a idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubts that you are.

Get them boys, WIN against the huskers!

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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jakez4ut said:
i agree with the unnamed booster in regards to the comparison to Saban and Meyer....what they're doing, particularly Saban, is something that really shouldn't even be capable of being done in today's college football world.

what they're doing is so far to one side of the spectrum, it is foolish to think anyone should "just be able to do it". so to that point, even if we fired CBJ, or he left on his own, i don't have any delusions of grandeur that no matter who we brought in would bring those kinds of results with them.

and this is where i think many have it wrong....at least as far as expectations go.....i don't think most of us expect to "be Alabama".

i don't think most of us expect to be national title contenders every single year.

rather, most of us fall in to the category that we should be competing for our division more times than not, we should be competing with our chief rivals on a yearly basis and not have decade long or half decade long losing streaks against them.


anyway...i think this notion that Tennessee fans are stupid or unrealistic is a false narrative. Butch has brought the program back to respectability.

what we want is just the next step. win the division and just give yourself a chance at something more. you get to that point, and you just roll the dice from there....

but if you think about it...FL, GA, TN should all be winning the East on a fairly regular basis. throw in an anomaly with USCe every now and then or MO....and should it be realistic to think we should have a shot at an SEC title 2-4 times every 10 years? if we're remaining competitive w/in the conf? the answer is yes. i think FL and GA fans would probably agree with that as well....so long as the competition levels are on equal footing, which by all rights they should be given how all 3 schools recruit.

but you should go in to every season expecting to be capable of winning the division.

and it most certainly should be the goal, every season. we all understand the goal won't be met every year....right now, the only team or fanbase that doesn't, is Bama.

which is why most of us feel as much trepidation as we do about CBJ....the competition level isn't equal, the East has not been good for 5 years. and by many's estimation, we've had teams more than capable of winning it the last 2.

so if he can't do it now....what happens when those other programs do get back up?

that's where i am w/Butch, and why i have my doubts.
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The whole Saban angle is a straw man argument.

Very few Vol fans, myself included, expect to be on that level year in and year out. Saban is in a class by himself at this point and it's unlikely any team will attain that level again with the player parity and coaching attrition in today's game.

Expecting more than what is effectively being described as on the job training for a coach that has been the head of 3 different programs for 10 seasons now should't be too much to ask however.
 
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armchair said:
Myer has had better situations that most coaches. He was at Florida, one of the most talent rich states in the America, where you can recruit a championship-quality team without leaving the state. That is a huge advantage over Tennessee--sad but true, let's be honest. He's now at Ohio State, which is a big-time program in a WEAK conference. While we're playing Georgia and Florida and Bama, he's playing Iowa and Indiana and Northwestern. Big difference.

Swinney has done well--but he's not in the SEC.

I've been saying it since the Vandy game: You gotta keep the big picture in mind. Jones has made us better--and he can recruit, which is HUGE. I'd like to see a few more 4-stars and fewer 3-stars, but he's been a good/very good recruiter. That is job 1 at UT.
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And yet Muschamp sucked and McElwain has done better than WM but nowhere close to what Meyer did.

So just maybe Meyer is a good coach.
 
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jakez4ut said:
exactly, which, while it has a little more positive spin than Haney's piece, it still shares the same basic sentiment shared in Haney's pc, and by many fans.

and again, as long as CBJ is the coach here, i want him to do well. i'm rooting for him to succeed.

i just don't think he will given what i've seen to this point. but wanting it...yeah, i want him to be great.
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I hope the guy goes 14-0 next season and wins the hearts and minds of Vol fans the world over.

Personally think there is enough of a track record after 10 seasons, 4 at UT, to know what he is and isn't however. He's a good caretaker but there isn't anything to show he can raise a program to a championship level. He gets in his own way too much.

Next year is his prove it year, time to do something besides nifty slogans and a solid recruiting class.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
The whole Saban angle is a straw man argument.

Very few Vol fans, myself included, expect to be on that level year in and year out. Saban is in a class by himself at this point and it's unlikely any team will attain that level again with the player parity and coaching attrition in today's game.

Expecting more than what is effectively being described as on the job training for a coach that has been the head of 3 different programs for 10 seasons now should't be too much to ask however.
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:thumbsup: but...that's what we have and where we are. and it ain't changing. so here's to hoping the learning curve gets shortened.....fast.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
And yet Muschamp sucked and McElwain has done better than WM but nowhere close to what Meyer did.

So just maybe Meyer is a good coach.
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Meyer's only problem is he's coaching in a world that also has Nick Saban in it. he's like Ernie Els and Phil Mickelson having to play alongside Tiger Woods.

if not for, arguably, the greatest ever, they'd be one of the greatest ever.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Meyer's only problem is he's coaching in a world that also has Nick Saban in it. he's like Ernie Els and Phil Mickelson having to play alongside Tiger Woods.

if not for, arguably, the greatest ever, they'd be one of the greatest ever.
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Oh I know, I was merely responding to armchair acting like Meyer only succeeded at UF because it's UF; considering the 2 coaches that have followed, there's no way you can just chalk it up to it being UF.

Plus Saban does have 13 years on Meyer, and (for now) has 2 more NCs than Meyer. So I think he's still going to probably end up considered one of the best every unless something bad happens.
 
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"I think our fanbase [is] stupid if they think we are going to do any better at this point – today."

Probably from a booster who thinks budget hires are magnificent.... The fact that this one booster who is willing to talk to the press has the mindset that budget hires will make us great is hysterical.... Yes every coach is chasing those 3 coaches... But all 3 were hired after boosters were tired of budget nice guy hires and ponied up the cash.... The very definition of insanity is the UT Booster approach to money with coaching hires.
 
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volfannbama said:
Every single reporter that I have heard talk comment on it says that their has to be some credibility to it. They all say that Haney is far to creditable to throw out a story like that with no backing and all of them believe it would be career suicide for doing so.
Jonathon Hutton was on a moment ago and said Haney just wrote on paper what people have been saying a long time.


Edit: My comment is toward the Haney article. not sure about this one.
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Correct, I agree. And what Haney catalogued in his piece would seem to connect dots and correlate with what we saw this season.....team not ready to play, undisciplined play, highly rated players leaving midseason, Butch's pressers/comments, bad losses to inferior teams with the team's goals still on the table, etc.

There are some that are just never gonna accept what was written in the article and rather than consider what he wrote as truth or even something to consider, they're gonna try to discredit him, even though he's a UT alum and respected journalist instead. Just is what it is.
 
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Volst53 said:
Bama is our biggest rival. I think it should be accepted and even demanded that we keep up with them, and compare ourselves to them.

We should be playing to beat them, and not just happy at 8-4
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If our boosters had your attitude, we would be right up there with them. We need you to hit the Powerball.
 
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Rifleman said:
Reading between the lines:

1) The boosters think Butch's current buyout is greater than the acceptable opportunity cost of replacing him based on the coaches currently available

(Shoop and Butch alone would cost us 5.3 million + to fire right now, then you have all the rest of the staff)

2) Buyout costs will be lower this time next year and the coaching carousel will have turned another rotation

3) Since recruiting remains strong, waiting is the best of a set of unpleasant options, so why not talk Butch up in the interim and see if he can make adjustments
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Your points may well be valid. However, there is a big difference between speculation and reading between the lines. Nothing in the article alluded to any of your points whatsoever.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Oh I know, I was merely responding to armchair acting like Meyer only succeeded at UF because it's UF; considering the 2 coaches that have followed, there's no way you can just chalk it up to it being UF.

Plus Saban does have 13 years on Meyer, and (for now) has 2 more NCs than Meyer. So I think he's still going to probably end up considered one of the best every unless something bad happens.
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oh, i was agreeing with you....:thumbsup:

dont even have to bring up what he did at Utah, pre Pac 12....the guy can coach.
 
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SGMVols said:
If our boosters had your attitude, we would be right up there with them. We need you to hit the Powerball.
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I think the funny situation is that we literally have 1 family that could buyout our entire staff and pay a new staff Harbaugh and Saban money. What makes it worse? We also have 4-6 families that could do the same the collectively...

I truly believe the boosters aren't that concerned with the success of the football team because we've budget hired the last 3 coaches and have doubled down with ridiculous buyouts. One was way to light and easy for Lane to walk away, Dooley one was absurd and the Butch buyout is a welfare/handout.

Coaches are mercenaries these days, we could easily offer 9 million a year to any coach and get them. The next Jim/Nick/Urban hire is going to be Chip Kelly. I just hope our brass has the balls to realize its time to invest big to win big.

Disclaimer: I am no way saying I think better with other people's money, but the logic of our coaching hires the past two go arounds has been very questionable.
 
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C'mon, that spin by one booster is not an unqualified endorsement. It is qualified. Next season he has to show leadership. That is another way of saying he has to step up his game and "own it" like he expects of everybody else and take a step up. Otherwise - he gone.
 
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Damage control by 24/7 and click bait. Both articles were poor excuse for journalistic reporting. 24/7 has become nothing more than sports tabloid. JMO.
 
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So if we go 0-4 to start the SEC. Does he get shown the door mid season to get an early start on the search?
 
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KBVol said:
Correct, I agree. And what Haney catalogued in his piece would seem to connect dots and correlate with what we saw this season.....team not ready to play, undisciplined play, highly rated players leaving midseason, Butch's pressers/comments, bad losses to inferior teams with the team's goals still on the table, etc.

There are some that are just never gonna accept what was written in the article and rather than consider what he wrote as truth or even something to consider, they're gonna try to discredit him, even though he's a UT alum and respected journalist instead. Just is what it is.
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Weird, the same thing you describe seems to happen on a certain site i check out that may or my not rhyme with vol nation.
 
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