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[VolBeef88]

UT WINS BIG!

I said it against Cal and I say it now. We crush them with our D. I know some will talk about the USAFA game but I watched the game and have re-watched it. Our D was making mistakes on the aggressive nature. That is not so bad; if you have to have your D making mistakes you want it from an aggressive nature. UF cannot run the option anywhere near the way USAFA can. I'm telling you, we will win big. I thought that before JH was announced as a go for the game. I’m telling you all, UT wins big 38-13! :salute:

 

[CHATTANOOGAVOL32]

We'll See What Urban Myth Is All About This Time Round!!
Can He Handle The Sec!!!

 

[odbowles]

I am gonna totally agree with VolBeef on this one.....I have been tempted to post something similar but just haven't yet. I also won the closest score contest on the Cal game so these "good feelings" about the game must be right. I can't remember my exact prediction for the Fla game but I believe it was something like 42-17 because I really feel like we can dominate this one too. Just a feeling so no need to throw flames and stats ect.....

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Possible but not probable. Would definately make for a long night of partying.

 

[JonWard]

Possible but not probable. Would definately make for a long night of partying.

that goes for any kind a win.

 

[odbowles]

Possible but not probable. Would definately make for a long night of partying.

Let's go ahead and set the partying spot then..... Any suggestions?

 

[Leo The Lip]

I would take a one point win right now; however, the bigger the margin of victory the better! Just ask Auburn how it feels to be on the outside looking in with an undefeated season. We will not get any better respect than they did. If USC, ND, Ohio St, etc. is undefeated as well as UT, you know who will get screwed. Whoever is from the SEC. Go VOLS!

 

[VolBeef88]

I don't mind being doubted. I was for over a couple of weeks before the Cal game. There were times when I felt like I was talking with anti-UT folks on this board. I know they are not but they were very negative (and had a reason to a degree). But I know what this team has and is capable of. I know what our O line has done and I see what our QB is doing. I know what our D can do and I know from watching option teams like USAFA can do to a team that has not seen it. You can practice against it all you want but until you strap it up and face it you just can't hardly prepare for it when it's ran efficiantly. And I tell you they ran it as efficiantly as I have ever seen a team do so. They will win the Comander and Chief trophy and will win a lot more games than many thought.
And UT will win big.

 

[no1g8r]

I don't mind being doubted. I was for over a couple of weeks before the Cal game. There were times when I felt like I was talking with anti-UT folks on this board. I know they are not but they were very negative (and had a reason to a degree). But I know what this team has and is capable of. I know what our O line has done and I see what our QB is doing. I know what our D can do and I know from watching option teams like USAFA can do to a team that has not seen it. You can practice against it all you want but until you strap it up and face it you just can't hardly prepare for it when it's ran efficiantly. And I tell you they ran it as efficiantly as I have ever seen a team do so. They will win the Comander and Chief trophy and will win a lot more games than many thought.
And UT will win big.

Just a curiosity, but if the triple option is such a great neutralizer against a powerhouse defense, why isn't every mid-major school out there running it?

I only ask because I keep hearing that "nobody could stop that AF triple option any better than UT did".

Not a flame - just a question.

 

[jakez4ut]

Just a curiosity, but if the triple option is such a great neutralizer against a powerhouse defense, why isn't every mid-major school out there running it?

I only ask because I keep hearing that "nobody could stop that AF triple option any better than UF did".

Not a flame - just a question.

because it's a hard offense to recruit with...hard to lure top qb's and other skill position players running that offense.

 

[biph1855]

Tenn's defense cant play against an option offense,our defense is a very agressive attacking style,our players cant sit back and wait,since thier recruitment here theyve been taught to go after the ball and when its hidden so well in a very well ran option we are caught out of place or 10 yds past the play b4 they realize they tackled a player w/out the ball

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I also think learning and running the triple option requires a level of intelligence that you just aren't going to find in any great supply among 3-5* football prospects. I was out of state last weekend and had no way to watch the game on PPV and I was initially baffled at the score. Once I had a chance to watch a condensed version of the game I saw that UT pretty much had things in hand until half way through the 4th quarter when EA was intercepted. I guess you can argue that if AF made a late surge agaisnt he Vols so could UF but that was such a fluke-ridden 7-8 minutes of football with the interception on on-sides kick that I just can see history repeating itself. IMO UF is going to score some points but it'll probably be about half what they've averaged agaisnt USM and UCF. I'm looking for the Gators to score 17-21 points. The real question in my mind is what the UT offense can do against the UF defense. From what I've seen so far the UT offense is leaps and bounds better than last year. Hopefully, the Vols O has improved enough to show soemthing agasint solid defensive unit.

:3cheers:

 

[lawgator1]

I am just shocked by this blind arrogance. I am sure its on the Florida board, too, and I don't approve of it there, either. There are so many unknowsn in this game.

 

[VolBeef88]

Just a curiosity, but if the triple option is such a great neutralizer against a powerhouse defense, why isn't every mid-major school out there running it?

I only ask because I keep hearing that "nobody could stop that AF triple option any better than UT did".

Not a flame - just a question.

There are a couple of reasons. One is that defensive Coodinators got used to defending it. At one time many schools were running it. Now there are very few. Also, when it is ran with precise execution it is very hard to stop. USAFA runs it (IMHO) because Fisher knows that is their best shot against big schools. The talent he can get is limited to say the least (as far as football talent). The reason other mid majors don't is for recruiting purposes. More and more midmajor studs are bing drafted and if they want to get those type of players that are "overlooked" then they need to run more of a pro style.

 

[VolBeef88]

I also think learning and running the triple option requires a level of intelligence that you just aren't going to find in any great supply among 3-5* football prospects. I was out of state last weekend and had no way to watch the game on PPV and I was initially baffled at the score. Once I had a chance to watch a condensed version of the game I saw that UT pretty much had things in hand until half way through the 4th quarter when EA was intercepted. I guess you can argue that if AF made a late surge agaisnt he Vols so could UF but that was such a fluke-ridden 7-8 minutes of football with the interception on on-sides kick that I just can see history repeating itself. IMO UF is going to score some points but it'll probably be about half what they've averaged agaisnt USM and UCF. I'm looking for the Gators to score 17-21 points. The real question in my mind is what the UT offense can do against the UF defense. From what I've seen so far the UT offense is leaps and bounds better than last year. Hopefully, the Vols O has improved enough to show soemthing agasint solid defensive unit.

:3cheers:

I have watched this type of offense for years and actually played it in High school. I can say without a doubt that USAFA ran it better/more efficiantly than any HS, NCAA I have ever seen with the talent they had. Now I admit they would not have beaten OU, Nebraska or Alabama in their prime with the WB due to the talent gap. But the excecution was unbelieveable. If I had not been a UT fan I would have pulled hard for USAFA. They did a heck of a job and deserve a ton of credit. They didn't make mistakes and were one of if not the most disciplined teams I can remember watching. They needed to play the perfect game to get an upset. And they almost got it.

 

[sjt18]

I am just shocked by this blind arrogance. I am sure its on the Florida board, too, and I don't approve of it there, either. There are so many unknowsn in this game.

LG, The exact same thing could have been said about your "dose of reality threads"... and your dismissive comments about the Vol WR's and passing game.

My opinion on the probabilities are something like this:

Big (8+ pts) for UF- 10%
Big for UT- 20%
Close (1-7 pts) for UF- 25%
Close for UT- 25%
"Last drive" close for UF- 10%
"Last drive" close for UT- 10%

I see the players, coaches, and fans of UF doing almost exactly what Cal did. They assumed victory and dismissed the Vols.

 

[no1g8r]

I am just shocked by this blind arrogance. I am sure its on the Florida board, too, and I don't approve of it there, either. There are so many unknowsn in this game.

Yes, it is on the Florida boards too. That's why I prefer to spend game week on the GOOD boards of an opponent. I know how some Gator fans try to justify their blind arrogance, it's always interesting to see how the opposition justifies theirs.

As I've said before, everything about this game points to it being a "pick-em" game. I run a mostly stats-based (includes quality of opponent), unbiased algorithm to come up with my picks for a pool that I participate in. It comes out picking UF to win by less than 1 point, which is statistically insignificant.

I'm not always right (by any means), but I've won the pool 3 of 5 years against 40-55 participants per year, so it's a decent indicator for me.

The punch line is that I don't see how anyone whose looking at this game objectively (without some shade of orange to their glasses), can arrive at any other conclusion than one of this game being just too close to really call with any measure of confidence.

 

[VolBeef88]

I am just shocked by this blind arrogance. I am sure its on the Florida board, too, and I don't approve of it there, either. There are so many unknowsn in this game.

Hey lawyer,
It's not blind arrogance. I think our D will blow through your line like it is not even there. Our D will hit Leak early and often. Also, don't be fooled by the amount of ground yards that USAFA got. You don't and can't run that type of option. Also, what better team in the country to play to get ready for UF's so called spread option?
You know your O line is suspect. How many sacks have they given up already? And that was to also rans. You better get ready for a very, very long night.

 

[VolBeef88]

Yes, it is on the Florida boards too. That's why I prefer to spend game week on the GOOD boards of an opponent. I know how some Gator fans try to justify their blind arrogance, it's always interesting to see how the opposition justifies theirs.

As I've said before, everything about this game points to it being a "pick-em" game. I run a mostly stats-based (includes quality of opponent), unbiased algorithm to come up with my picks for a pool that I participate in. It comes out picking UF to win by less than 1 point, which is statistically insignificant.

I'm not always right (by any means), but I've won the pool 3 of 5 years against 40-55 participants per year, so it's a decent indicator for me.

The punch line is that I don't see how anyone whose looking at this game objectively (without some shade of orange to their glasses), can arrive at any other conclusion than one of this game being just too close to really call with any measure of confidence.

To use stats for this game is foolish on your part. Do you really think the the stats from the 2 sisters of the poor teams you played are a good indicator for your little stat driven drivel?

 

[volwarren]

Just a curiosity, but if the triple option is such a great neutralizer against a powerhouse defense, why isn't every mid-major school out there running it?

I only ask because I keep hearing that "nobody could stop that AF triple option any better than UT did".

Not a flame - just a question.

The NFL does not run it and there's where the money is.

 

[sjt18]

I wouldn't make too many assumptions about AF's talent being bad.

They have a team with a lot of upper classmen. Like Wash St and So Miss, AF seems to go in an up and down pattern. They play underclassmen and take beatings but progressively get better until they're competitive as upper classmen.

The AF is less stringent on the height and weight requirements apparently than the Navy or Army concerning cadets. Their lines are only slightly undersized. You don't get into the service academies without decent physical strength and athleticism.

AFA stands a very good chance of being 7-1 and ranked by the time ND arrives in November. The only real threats on their schedule between now and then are BYU and Colorado State.

Like Cal did last week, I expect AFA to make UT look better than the naysayers think in weeks to come.

Of course UT will cut its own path between now and then too.

 

[VolBeef88]

The NFL does not run it and there's where the money is.

warren this is a comfort question for them. They want to dismiss USAFA and make themsekves "feel" like UT can't stop the pathetic running game they have. I'm telling you all. UT will crush the UF offense. The O line is in for a very long night and thus Chris Leak is going to get real, real dirty.

 

[sjt18]

The question about the option is actually a decent one.

I don't really know why a team like Miss St doesn't pick it up. They aren't going to compete consistently with UF, UT, Aub, LSU, UGA, Miami, FSU, Clemson, etc for the better QB's. But, they do pick up some decent RB's quite often. An AFA style option would definitely give them a better chance than they have now.

 

[VolBeef88]

If Sly Croom would get him a good O coordinator they could be competitive. But it takes $ and I don't know if MSU will spend it.

 

[no1g8r]

Who on this board believes that either UT or UF have seen anything this year like they are going to see on Saturday night?

Until somebody proves it against competition AT THIS LEVEL, it's all just speculation (or wishful thinking) on either part.

I don't think Cal or AF is anywhere near the level that UT is. Do you?

I think UF and UT are pretty close to even. Following that logic, UT hasn't seen a team anywhere near the level that UF is.

Both teams are in the same boat. UT's competition to-date has been a bit tougher than UF's, but not enough to draw a lot of conclusions over, imho.