Boise State Talent and Our Talent

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thagodfather said:
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You forgot to add that game against Georgia when they got beat down pretty good. That would happen more often if Boise was in a BCS conference.
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So when one of these non-BCS conference teams beat a big-named school, it doesn't mean anything because it is just one game they had to get up for. If they lose to ONE big named team YEARS ago, it is evidence that they aren't worthy of playing in a BCS game. They've beaten half a dozen teams as good or better than that Georgia team, and no one that was on that team is even there any more.

Also, Tennessee lost to that same Georgia team. It was a good team.

EDIT: And let's not forget that Boise state traveled 2000 miles to that game, which was played in practically the morning, their time.
 
#77
#77
IPorange said:
Boise State beat Oregon last year, and returns 19 players. They would have a good shot against Georgia and LSU. I am confident they could beat South Carolina. I really like them against Kentucky. So yes, I think they would make a bowl. A BCS bowl? Maybe not, as they have to get through Florida and Alabama.

So is every team that doesn't have Florida and Alabama on their schedule that makes a BCS bowl a "slap in the face?"

Come on. Not everyone can play the same teams. You play who is on your schedule, and you win. They schedule big OOC games every year just to shut up the naysayers, WIN THE GAMES, and still get criticized.
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You are missing the point. Sure, they upset Oregon last year but that was one game. Playing games like that week after week is much different. Beating South Carolina one week and then having to play a Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida in the next three weeks takes a toll. Does Boise have the depth to do that? I wouldn't think so.
 
#78
#78
IPorange said:
So when one of these non-BCS conference teams beat a big-named school, it doesn't mean anything because it is just one game they had to get up for. If they lose to ONE big named team YEARS ago, it is evidence that they aren't worthy of playing in a BCS game. They've beaten half a dozen teams as good or better than that Georgia team, and no one that was on that team is even there any more.

Also, Tennessee lost to that same Georgia team. It was a good team.
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Your argument would make sense if they had done it in the same season.
 
#79
#79
thagodfather said:
You are missing the point. Sure, they upset Oregon last year but that was one game. Playing games like that week after week is much different. Beating South Carolina one week and then having to play a Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida in the next three weeks takes a toll. Does Boise have the depth to do that? I wouldn't think so.
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You are missing the point. Not everyone can be in the SEC. Boise State would LOVE to be in a better conference. They play the toughest schedule they can make, and win games. You are essentially arguing that no matter WHAT BSU or similar teams EVER do, even over multiple seasons, they are not worthy of championship consideration. That isn't sporting, it's narrow-minded, and it's been proven fallacious by the performance of these teams in bowls, where the whole "but who did they play last week and who do they play next week" argument doesn't work.

There is parity in college football now.
 
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IPorange said:
You are missing the point. Not everyone can be in the SEC. Boise State would LOVE to be in a better conference. They play the toughest schedule they can make, and win games. You are essentially arguing that no matter WHAT BSU or similar teams EVER do, even over multiple seasons, they are not worthy of championship consideration. That isn't sporting, it's narrow-minded, and it's been proven fallacious by the performance of these teams in bowls, where the whole "but who did they play last week and who do they play next week" argument doesn't work.

There is parity in college football now.
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I'm for a playoff. Then Boise could prove that they belong. I'm not a Boise hater. I just believe that many more teams are more worthy of a BCS game than them.
 
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#83
thagodfather said:
I'm for a playoff. Then Boise could prove that they belong. I'm not a Boise hater. I just believe that many more teams are more worthy of a BCS game than them.
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Then we share a lot of common ground. I don't really think Boise State is the second best team in the country, but I do think they've done everything they possibly can under the current system to earn a shot over the last few years.

That's what it comes down to: the BCS system is clearly still mostly governed by opinion, not actions on the field. BSU is the unfortunate poster child thus far of that.


I personally hope they run the table (again) this year, and continue to challenge the current system to be changed-- not because they are the best team in the country, but because EVERY team including BSU deserves a fair playing field to compete for championships, and a defined path for ultimate success.

That's what sport is all about.
 
#85
#85
wow...this thread....

as much as I hope VT beats Boise, Boise would probably beat us pretty soundly this year
 
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IPorange said:
You are missing the point. Not everyone can be in the SEC. Boise State would LOVE to be in a better conference. They play the toughest schedule they can make, and win games. You are essentially arguing that no matter WHAT BSU or similar teams EVER do, even over multiple seasons, they are not worthy of championship consideration. That isn't sporting, it's narrow-minded, and it's been proven fallacious by the performance of these teams in bowls, where the whole "but who did they play last week and who do they play next week" argument doesn't work.

There is parity in college football now.
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There are many more BCS conferences out there. Teams like Boise have a huge advantage schedule wise against teams from the power conferences.
 
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TrueOrange said:
wow...

as much as I hope VT beats Boise, Boise would probably beat us pretty soundly this year
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Even if people don't think they're really a top 5 team, they are definitely a top 25 team. Tennessee is not... *sniff
 
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IPorange said:
I'm willing to make this trade. It wasn't that good of an Oklahoma team, or a dominating and convincing win, anyway.

Awesome game, though.
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to be fair to them both, they were up 28-10 well into the 3rd....it's just then they started making mistakes like you'd expect a team of that conference level to make in that kind of game against that kind of opponent
 
#91
#91
thagodfather said:
There are many more BCS conferences out there. Teams like Boise have a huge advantage schedule wise against teams from the power conferences.
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Where can they go? Pac 10 won't take them because they aren't big enough, academically strong enough, or frankly diverse in their athletic activities.

Big 12 won't take them because they aren't a big enough market. I suppose if the conference implodes it could happen, but then would the Big 12 be a BCS conference without Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc.? I don't know.

Big East is too far away and would gain NOTHING. It'd be terrible for BSU, too.

Big 10- no way. Academics don't work, no history/tradition at all to add, too far away.

SEC- nope, no market value, BSU would be a middle of the pack team in a conference that is already wide in the middle

ACC- obviously not.

See what I mean? They have no where to go. There would have to be a new BCS conference, which I suppose could be made up of teams like Utah, BSU, TCU, BYU, Fresno State maybe some cannibalized Big 12 teams, etc.

But the BCS conferences aren't going to make room for another slice of that sweet pie, now are they?
 
#92
#92
thagodfather said:
VT will beat Boise easily. Boise and Tennessee are closer than you think this season.
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If Boise somehow manages to travel across the continent and upset VT in their own backyard, does that change anything in your mind? Just curious.
 
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IPorange said:
Where can they go? Pac 10 won't take them because they aren't big enough, academically strong enough, or frankly diverse in their athletic activities.

Big 12 won't take them because they aren't a big enough market. I suppose if the conference implodes it could happen, but then would the Big 12 be a BCS conference without Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc.? I don't know.

Big East is too far away and would gain NOTHING. It'd be terrible for BSU, too.

Big 10- no way. Academics don't work, no history/tradition at all to add, too far away.

SEC- nope, no market value, BSU would be a middle of the pack team in a conference that is already wide in the middle

ACC- obviously not.

See what I mean? They have no where to go. There would have to be a new BCS conference, which I suppose could be made up of teams like Utah, BSU, TCU, BYU, Fresno State maybe some cannibalized Big 12 teams, etc.

But the BCS conferences aren't going to make room for another slice of that sweet pie, now are they?
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I'm not putting the blame on Boise. I agree.
 
#94
#94
IPorange said:
If Boise somehow manages to travel across the continent and upset VT in their own backyard, does that change anything in your mind? Just curious.
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I'd be impressed, no doubt. It still wouldn't answer the question about whether they could sustain that kind of effort playing a top 15 schedule. The good teams have depth.
 
#95
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I just feel bad for those guys. They go out and do nothing but win games, but still can't shake all doubt.

It'll be moot this season if they lose tomorrow, though.
 
#96
#96
MDBJJC said:
Beat Oklahoma, Oregon twice, TCU, Oregon State, Oklahoma, Utah....and Wyoming.

Best winning percentage out there in football. Much respect from this SEC fan
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Exactly, everyone *****es about their weak schedule, but no one will play them. Might have something to do with their ugly blue turf at home. But Bst has asked lots of top teams to play home and home games and they get no takers. Chris Petersons is a great coach. He has less to work with but still has a high winning percentage. Chris Peterson just signed a multi year extention to his contract. Before that he could've coached anywhere.
 
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#97
TooLegit2Quit said:
Wouldn't be all that confident in Saban considering the beating they took against Utah in the Sugar Bowl in 2009.
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There's a big difference between playing for the national title and playing a consolation bowl game vs a mid major after having your dreams shattered in the SEC championship game. Alabama wouldn't have looked as bad if the game meant something or if they were playing another team, IMO. Utah deserves credit, but I think it would have been a different result.
 
#98
#98
Va Tech will line up and hit them in the mouth. They will pound their two stud backs into the teeth of the boise defense and make them like it. It may not end up a high scoring game, but va tech will control the game with defense, a running game, and solid special teams. Most of boise's conference and bowl opponents have had a lackluster defense at best, and I gurantee nobody they have played recently has the quality of special teams that Va. Tech has. They wont be playing against the fun and gun lets get cute offense this week. They struggled defensively against the 2te smashmouth style offense last season, and losing their DC and best defensive player cant help that.
 
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#99
fratmat said:
Exactly, everyone *****es about their weak schedule, but no one will play them. Might have something to do with their ugly blue turf at home. But Bst has asked lots of top teams to play home and home games and they get no takers. Chris Petersons is a great coach. He has less to work with but still has a high winning percentage. Chris Peterson just signed a multi year extention to his contract. Before that he could've coached anywhere.
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Why would anyone agree to a home and home with a team from Idaho? There's really no benefit.
 
#100
#100
fratmat said:
Exactly, everyone *****es about their weak schedule, but no one will play them. Might have something to do with their ugly blue turf at home. But Bst has asked lots of top teams to play home and home games and they get no takers. Chris Petersons is a great coach. He has less to work with but still has a high winning percentage. Chris Peterson just signed a multi year extention to his contract. Before that he could've coached anywhere.
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They've got a lot on their plate tomorrow. If they run the table for the second consecutive year, I don't think they will be denied a shot at the crystal football.
 
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