Blog: If not Kiffin then whom?

#26
#26
so, if i take the metaphor correctly, we got lane kiffin with beer goggles on at 2 a.m. as the lights are flickering indicating last call?

what the hell, it worked for me in the past......sometimes.:)
 
#27
#27
SOLID.



After having romantic notions about Gruden and Cowher.
I got dejected and just waited on my extended Family to arrange something nice.
 
#28
#28
Nice piece. I think the argument you'd get from most of the committed naysayers on VN would be that Butch Davis was more available than this article indicates, and that Hamilton was just too cheap to reel him in. (Although the "cheap" argument became harder to make once Hamilton started spending like a frat guy at Mardi Gras on the rest of the staff.)

I remember arguing before the hire that Hamilton needed to hire somebody who was going to be talked about on ESPN, because a team that needs to recruit nationally like we do can't afford to fall completely out of the national consciousness for a three-year rebuilding project. Well, he certainly accomplished that.
 
#31
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Vercingetorix said:
Nice piece. I think the argument you'd get from most of the committed naysayers on VN would be that Butch Davis was more available than this article indicates, and that Hamilton was just too cheap to reel him in. (Although the "cheap" argument became harder to make once Hamilton started spending like a frat guy at Mardi Gras on the rest of the staff.)

I remember arguing before the hire that Hamilton needed to hire somebody who was going to be talked about on ESPN, because a team that needs to recruit nationally like we do can't afford to fall completely out of the national consciousness for a three-year rebuilding project. Well, he certainly accomplished that.
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I agree that Butch was probably the most realistically desirable coach, but I just don't know if he has the mojo left in him.

Would he be the Butch Davis that built the Miami empire and ran the Dallas D during it's glory years?

I'm not 100% convinced he isn't trailing off a bit. I think he is still a great coach, but I'd rather grab a younger guy with unquestioned passion and work ethic than one who we aren't entirely sure of his willingness to burn the midnight oil and guzzle the Red Bull.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Nice piece. I think the argument you'd get from most of the committed naysayers on VN would be that Butch Davis was more available than this article indicates, and that Hamilton was just too cheap to reel him in. (Although the "cheap" argument became harder to make once Hamilton started spending like a frat guy at Mardi Gras on the rest of the staff.) .
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I thought that the problem with CBD was the title that he wanted and not the $Money.
 
#33
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VolDad said:
I thought that the problem with CBD was the title that he wanted and not the $Money.
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That's what I read as well. But several of the VN posters with whom I've argued about this over the last few months have seemed to believe that it boils down to: "Alabama did whatever it took to get Saban; therefore we should have done whatever it took to get Davis. Money, title, whatever it takes."
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Nice piece. I think the argument you'd get from most of the committed naysayers on VN would be that Butch Davis was more available than this article indicates, and that Hamilton was just too cheap to reel him in. (Although the "cheap" argument became harder to make once Hamilton started spending like a frat guy at Mardi Gras on the rest of the staff.)

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Yes, the article is misleading in that regard. But, that is water under the bridge now and, other than that, a good read.

Side note: I'm a little curious as to why Knox did this article. Normally, this is type of article to address "buyer's remorse” so I am a little curious.
 
#35
#35
IMO i think hamilton made a great decesion with CLK. I think CLK has more upside and is most definetely hungrier and ready to do what ever it takes to prove himself to the rest of the world. We have probably the best staff ever assembled in the NCAA. I know CLK is young and he will make some mistakes. I dont mind CLK standing up for UT, I just wish he would leave the talking to a minimum and just prove his self on the football field. IMO, i think some W's and getting the intensity and fire back would speak wonders for itself. JMO
 
#36
#36
I can't think of a better option than Kiffin with the staff he brought in. If it would have been Kiffin and a bunch of no names/never heard ofs then I'd have preferred Davis or the Cincinnati guy.

Kiffin won't be able to keep this staff totally together for long, but hopefully he'll create a cycle where a lot of good young coaching talent comes to Tennessee to work with the best. Some regular changeover on the staff is a good thing if top talent wants to come work for you. Keeps the energy level high and brings fresh thinking...two things that were sorely missing on Fulmer's staffs.
 
#37
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Vercingetorix said:
That's what I read as well. But several of the VN posters with whom I've argued about this over the last few months have seemed to believe that it boils down to: "Alabama did whatever it took to get Saban; therefore we should have done whatever it took to get Davis. Money, title, whatever it takes."
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i.e. sell your soul
 
#39
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3L with debt said:
Side note: I'm a little curious as to why Knox did this article. Normally, this is type of article to address "buyer's remorse” so I am a little curious.
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Probably because he's a blogger for VolNation itself, and half the threads in here still end up in everyone shouting back and forth with one of our "fans" who will apparently be rooting against our football team this fall because they hate Kiffin so much.
 
#40
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Vercingetorix said:
That's what I read as well. But several of the VN posters with whom I've argued about this over the last few months have seemed to believe that it boils down to: "Alabama did whatever it took to get Saban; therefore we should have done whatever it took to get Davis. Money, title, whatever it takes."
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Didn’t he essentially want to be MH’s heir apparent? If so, that is a pretty big request.
 
#41
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Vercingetorix said:
Probably because he's a blogger for VolNation itself, and half the threads in here still end up in everyone shouting back and forth with one of our "fans" who will apparently be rooting against our football team this fall because they hate Kiffin so much.
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Ha... true.
 
#42
#42
VolDad said:
Didn’t he essentially want to be MH’s heir apparent? If so, that is a pretty big request.
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From what I understood, he didn't want to be accountable to anyone.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, just going from what I remember.
 
#43
#43
3L with debt said:
Yes, the article is misleading in that regard. But, that is water under the bridge now and, other than that, a good read.

Side note: I'm a little curious as to why Knox did this article. Normally, this is type of article to address "buyer's remorse” so I am a little curious.
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Great question.

Mainly it's because I'm at a loss when I read people torching Kiffin as if there was a significantly better option.

I think Alabama did the right thing in selling out to Saban. Every coach since Stallings had been a joke and though Saban is a shady bedfellow to get involved with, he undoubtedly brings results.

I just can't make the leap that Butch Davis is in that same category. Didn't he seem a little too eager to lock up the administrative job?

Call me crazy, but I'm uncomfortable with my coach setting up his post-coaching life.
 
#44
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rkmccoy said:
Great question.

Mainly it's because I'm at a loss when I read people torching Kiffin as if there was a significantly better option.

I think Alabama did the right thing in selling out to Saban. Every coach since Stallings had been a joke and though Saban is a shady bedfellow to get involved with, he undoubtedly brings results.

I just can't make the leap that Butch Davis is in that same category. Didn't he seem a little too eager to lock up the administrative job?

Call me crazy, but I'm uncomfortable with my coach setting up his post-coaching life.
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This is a great point. I had thought about it as mostly just a power thing, but when you consider that Davis is only a year younger than Fulmer -- yeah, I guess it is pretty easy to see that as somebody setting up his own retirement.

Kiffin's about the exact opposite -- a super-ambitious young coach who's basically gambled his entire career on having success in Knoxville. I like that better.
 
#45
#45
Frankly, there are several reasons that I like Kiffin. The foremost being that if he wasn't available, I think we are still stuck with Fulmer. I have very little doubt in my mind that his availability was a catalyst for Hamilton's decision.

In college football there is no such thing as a lock. Davis was probably the closest to it. However, when Kiffin says there is nobody that is going to outwork his staff, I actually believe it. There aren't any other candidates on Knox's list that I could say that about.
 
#46
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rkmccoy said:
Great question.

Mainly it's because I'm at a loss when I read people torching Kiffin as if there was a significantly better option.

I think Alabama did the right thing in selling out to Saban. Every coach since Stallings had been a joke and though Saban is a shady bedfellow to get involved with, he undoubtedly brings results.

I just can't make the leap that Butch Davis is in that same category. Didn't he seem a little too eager to lock up the administrative job?

Call me crazy, but I'm uncomfortable with my coach setting up his post-coaching life.
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That is an angle that I hadn't considered. Interesting.
 
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