Blaming Tea Party for Downgrade?

#26
#26
banks use depositor money to make loans

There is a wealth of money with the depositors in the midst of a double dip recession?

I'm asking... I've always thought that the savings rate with "average" Americans was always a source of concern. With the "not-so average" Americans, wouldn't they be able to get better returns than the measly rates banks have been giving?
 
#29
#29
There is a wealth of money with the depositors in the midst of a double dip recession?

I'm asking... I've always thought that the savings rate with "average" Americans was always a source of concern. With the "not-so average" Americans, wouldn't they be able to get better returns than the measly rates banks have been giving?

You don't have a checking account? Whats the interest rate?
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#30
#30
Is crap the "full faith and credit of the United States"?

Our dollars aren't worth anything then

No crap is the dollar being held up by petro.

They change (like they are talking about) petro being backed by us dollars and we are screwed. Dollar will fall so fast it wont matter how much money you have.

Think nazi dollars now.
 
#31
#31
banks also make money by borrowing from the feds short term and then lending at long term.
 
#32
#32
You don't have a checking account? Whats the interest rate?
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It's been at or less than 2% as far back as I can remember. Money market accounts pay a little more.

I still can't believe that there is war chest of money tied up in something that has that small of a return. But maybe I'm wrong. If I am, please explain to me. I'm really interested in understanding your position on this.
 
#35
#35
selling US treasury bonds to places like China

you do realize that you're just going to keep going in circles

So the Fed sells bonds. Now correct me if I'm wrong, my mind is not that strong when it comes to things like finance and what not, but aren't bonds a way for an entity to borrow money for a certain period of time and in return. pay back that bond holder a certain interest rate? Again, if I'm wrong, please stop me.
 
#36
#36
So the Fed sells bonds. Now correct me if I'm wrong, my mind is not that strong when it comes to things like finance and what not, but aren't bonds a way for an entity to borrow money for a certain period of time and in return. pay back that bond holder a certain interest rate? Again, if I'm wrong, please stop me.

the whole cycle is fubar.

our government needs money so other entities buy its debt in the form of t-bills and treasury bonds and depending on how the market is projected to forecast one is bought more than the other. Many entities are cashing in their long term debt with us ands trading it for short term debt because they dont like the outlook.

Anyways, banks then borrow from the feds on the fund rate at prime. they then reloan the money out to the consumer at prime plus something. the "something" part is where they make their money. they then pay back the government the prime part and there you have a profit.
 
#37
#37
as far as I know, it's the only answer

US currency is not backed by any tangible asset

the tangible asset is the us tax payer. Amount collected in taxes is considered the us asset.

that is the answer in that regard but it's still crap.

petro dollars changes away from us currency and our dollar will drop like a rock.
 
#38
#38
here's a fact ...

iraq traded oil for food in euros in 2000, right before the iraq war under the oil for food program.

when we invaded in 2003 we changed it back to us dollars.

just something for everyone to think about when wondering why we were in iraq.
 
#39
#39
the whole cycle is fubar.

our government needs money so other entities buy its debt in the form of t-bills and treasury bonds and depending on how the market is projected to forecast one is bought more than the other. Many entities are cashing in their long term debt with us ands trading it for short term debt because they dont like the outlook.

So, like I said, the Fed is borrowing money to loan out to banks. Is that correct? We borrow from Peter to loan to Paul?

And when these entities are cashing in their long term debt right now, how are we paying them back under our current situation?
 
#41
#41
So, like I said, the Fed is borrowing money to loan out to banks. Is that correct? We borrow from Peter to loan to Paul?

And when these entities are cashing in their long term debt right now, how are we paying them back under our current situation?

???
 
#42
#42
So the Fed sells bonds. Now correct me if I'm wrong, my mind is not that strong when it comes to things like finance and what not, but aren't bonds a way for an entity to borrow money for a certain period of time and in return. pay back that bond holder a certain interest rate? Again, if I'm wrong, please stop me.

Great questions you are asking.

To increase money supply the US Treasury prints and sells Treasury Bonds, most are bought by the Federal Reserve, which is a private enterprise whose stock was all bought up by private individuals, corporations and European central banks (privately owned) by 1914 and have not been traded since. Of the original stock approximately 60% was bought by Europeans.

Who would trade away such a sweetheart deal?

The Treasury Bonds are backed by the ability and willingness of the people of the USA to repay through taxes.

The US government also pays for the printing of the Federal Reserve notes which are used to buy the T Bonds. The Treasury must pay interest plus the principle back when the bonds mature.

The Fed then holds or sells the Bonds, using money that was created out of nothing.

There is a stipulation in the original Federal Reserve Act that says the fed returns all profits to the Treasury.

However there have been over 300 amendments to the original act, each serving to strengthen the position of the fed.

For one thing we have zero capability of monitoring the interworkings of the fed, it has yet to ever have been audited.

We did recently get a GOA accounting of what happened to some of the recent emergency funding and found that 60% of $16 trillion went to foreign banks, mostly European but including Libya for instance.

One must understand a little about the BIS (Bank of International Settlements) to understand how the fed actually works.

The BIS is the clearing house for central (privately owned) banks on a worldwide basis.

That's a start.





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#43
#43
Great questions you are asking.

Why can't I get detailed and non-sarcastic answers to my legitimate questions? I'm trying to understand the usefulness of the FED and all I get is, "faith in the United Sates government" or "it's stupid to go on the gold standard" (with no details as to why).
 
#45
#45
Why can't I get detailed and non-sarcastic answers to my legitimate questions? I'm trying to understand the usefulness of the FED and all I get is, "faith in the United Sates government" or "it's stupid to go on the gold standard" (with no details as to why).

Probably because no one really understands.

One of the Rothschilds once bragged, not one in a million
understands how it works and we won't have to worry
about that class because they will be profiting so much
and so dependent that they won't object.

Personally I don't understand how one in a million can't
understand if they have the facts explained in simple
enough terms.
 
#46
#46
Probably because no one really understands.

One of the Rothschilds once bragged, not one in a million
understands how it works and we won't have to worry
about that class because they will be profiting so much
and so dependent that they won't object.

Personally I don't understand how one in a million can't
understand if they have the facts explained in simple
enough terms.

It wouldn't be so annoying if the pro-FED people would simply explain why it is necessary. I mean, it appears to me that in order for us to operate right now and for banks to have more money to loan out, they have to borrow. And the only thing that is keeping that going is the faith in the US taxpayer to continue to pay the freight.

What am I missing in this? Really, I want to understand.
 
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