Bill Battle steps down at Bama

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I'm assuming that Alabama only needed an AD and others in the chain of command were there and not being replaced. Makes it easier to make a decision if folks are in place and have been in place for a while.

UT has an interesting situation in that it is replacing 3 connected positions.

Yes there are other factors that are probably coming into play, but the key is that they don't have folks officially "on the job" in the chain of command.

I doubt things are as big a mess as the media (... who loves to make a big deal out of everything ...) and folks on VN think it is.

And it seems that the lack of a new AD is not preventing Coach Jones from making coaching changes.
 
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secking said:
Looks like it was deleted for failure of being able to spell decisive correctly. UT English professors march on The Hill in protest and burn mattresses. :sad:
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Or maybe it blew up in his face.

Seriously this probably did not help him at all. It is like burning bridges even before they have been built.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I'm assuming that Alabama only needed an AD and others in the chain of command were there and not being replaced. Makes it easier to make a decision if folks are in place and have been in place for a while.

UT has an interesting situation in that it is replacing 3 connected positions.

Yes there are other factors that are probably coming into play, but the key is that they don't have folks officially "on the job" in the chain of command.

I doubt things are as big a mess as the media (... who loves to make a big deal out of everything ...) and folks on VN think it is.

And it seems that the lack of a new AD is not preventing Coach Jones from making coaching changes.
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I respect your post and there is definitely truth there. The only problem I see is- no one put UT in that situation but.. UT.
Things can be done in order, they don't have to just open a giant vacuum all at once.
 
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The initial mission of state universities and land grant universities is to raise the level of education in the state so that the economy, education of the workforce, quality of life, etc will rise.

Studies show that out of state students often do not stay in the state they attended college. This then is a direct contradiction of the primary mission of the university. This is often a huge challenge for private universities since the large majority of students move away and never or rarely return to the campus or retain a connection to the school.

Alabama is a "hot" school for several reasons among young people across the country looking to attend college. The winning football program sure doesn't hurt. But I doubt many of their out of state grads stay in Alabama to live and work after graduation. I know too many come to Nashville area to find employment.
 
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Orange&White said:
Why are you doing this? Lol he never said anything about UT versus UA. It simply mentioned that people in Alabama were angry at their administration too and those were two of the issues he listed. I simply was stating their correct tuition and the fact that out-of-state students do in fact outnumber in-state students. It's nothing personal or to start an argument, I'm just a facts guy. It's a habit.

Mentioning google may have made me sound like a smart elect, but it's because I did the same and almost quoted that number before checking the school's website. Lol yes we need Blackburn.
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Some people just need a narrative man
 
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Fred Weary said:
He's doing what people always want to do: create an absolutely false narrative (Bama people are unhappy), based entirely upon an untruth (UA tuition is through the roof), and why would he need to do this in this thread, other than to deflect from reality? There are no holes to be poked in this deal...UT needs to get their crap together.
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Are the walls crumbling because everyone is against you? How pathetic to think ive got to create some false narrative to make UT look worse than what it is.

People in Alabama are not happy about the rise in tuition over the last few years. To help bring in more money, Alabama has focused on bringing in more out of state students to boost tuition revenue. However nothing in Alabama is a big story because their football team wins.

To the contrary, evverything in Tennessee is a big story because athletics suck.
Just like this hire, the only diffence is Hart announced retirment early and Battle didnt. If Hart had not announced his retirement and the admin had went behind the scene to hire the next AD, this would be a story and we would have a thread about the Alabama AD on a UT message board.
 
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njvols said:
Agree, but it seems it evolved this way because UT didn't opt in for contract renewal/raise, and Hart announced retirement, which does kinda put him in lame duck scenario, which isn't ideal going through OC hirings...late announcement on chancellor probably added to timeline snafu also?
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Definitely all jacked up, just dont see why we have to make a comparision to Alabama. We all know its jacked up, why add to the pity party?
 
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Orange&White said:
It boils down to Alabama knowing its identity while Tennessee struggles to figure its out. I'm sure Alabama wants to improve academically too, but they devote a significant time and focus on athletics and it translates to success on the field which then equals more students, more money, etc. They realize they are a strong southern school and they are ok with that since they are also a national powerhouse.

Tennessee has been so focused on its journey to becoming a top 25 public institution that they have lost sight of our athletics. It's appalling how far Tennessee athletics have fallen. It's not as important or a focus to the current administration. It's all new classrooms and academia at Tennessee currently. Our administration needs to realize that we can improve academically and athletically. They need to realize the effects that a strong athletic department and programs will have on the University as a whole and how that will further help them accomplish their long term goals as well.

I'm running for office boys. Orange&White 2017.
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This has been waaaayyyy overblown in my opinion. Or we should hope so at least, because we haven't made any significant strides in this area either. This is just what people say when we aren't winning on the field (see Vandy). "ok we are losing, but we care more about academics".
 
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savannahfan said:
Hey! I was at orientation a year or so ago (at UTK) with a granddaughter and it seemed to me their were more out of state folks there than instate. I have another granddaughter in Ala. getting out high school and from what I see, there is very little difference in UTK and UA's cost per year for instate kids.
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The in state cost has risen alot in the last few years, wasnt comparing it to Tennessee tuition. Alabama has the highest out of state enrollement of all SEC school. This is a result of the state cutting education funds and the school started actively recruiting more out of state students to boost tuition revenue. Again no comparision to Tennessee and what you observed personally. I live in Alabama unfortunately, so i hear these stories on local news.
 
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wmcovol said:
The initial mission of state universities and land grant universities is to raise the level of education in the state so that the economy, education of the workforce, quality of life, etc will rise.

Studies show that out of state students often do not stay in the state they attended college. This then is a direct contradiction of the primary mission of the university. This is often a huge challenge for private universities since the large majority of students move away and never or rarely return to the campus or retain a connection to the school.

Alabama is a "hot" school for several reasons among young people across the country looking to attend college. The winning football program sure doesn't hurt. But I doubt many of their out of state grads stay in Alabama to live and work after graduation. I know too many come to Nashville area to find employment.
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I have a friend whos daughter applied to Texas (they live in Austin) and Alabama. Both were late applications because she didnt get into her first choice. Texas wouldnt accept but Alabama did. So she attended there for one year and is now going to Texas
 
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volfannbama said:
The in state cost has risen alot in the last few years, wasnt comparing it to Tennessee tuition. Alabama has the highest out of state enrollement of all SEC school. This is a result of the state cutting education funds and the school started actively recruiting more out of state students to boost tuition revenue. Again no comparision to Tennessee and what you observed personally. I live in Alabama unfortunately, so i hear these stories on local news.
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Not defending Alabama here, but part of the reason the recent freshmen classes at UAT are weighed heavily towards out of state students is the fact that public education in the state overall is poor.

One of our employees in CT has a daughter that was recruited heavily by Alabama and Ole Miss. They really push the sorority life, and frankly the tuition at both schools was cheaper than paying in-state at UCONN. Several southern schools have figured this out, it is not just Bama. Vandy recruits the heck out of China and S. Korea.
 
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BigorangeBoy said:
Not defending Alabama here, but part of the reason the recent freshmen classes at UAT are weighed heavily towards out of state students is the fact that public education in the state overall is poor.

One of our employees in CT has a daughter that was recruited heavily by Alabama and Ole Miss. They really push the sorority life, and frankly the tuition at both schools was cheaper than paying in-state at UCONN. Several southern schools have figured this out, it is not just Bama. Vandy recruits the heck out of China and S. Korea.
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Yeah sure, all school do it and righfully so. And yes the education is poor. I send my kids to a small private school which cost about the same as college tuition. However, currently, Alabama is the only school where out of state students outrank in state students. The major push for out of state students here began when the state cut several hundred million from the education budget.

Not sure why so many UT fans are offended at bringing it up. Seems we have replaced the modern day liberal that sits around allday and finds something to be offended by.
 
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wmcovol said:
The initial mission of state universities and land grant universities is to raise the level of education in the state so that the economy, education of the workforce, quality of life, etc will rise.

Studies show that out of state students often do not stay in the state they attended college. This then is a direct contradiction of the primary mission of the university. This is often a huge challenge for private universities since the large majority of students move away and never or rarely return to the campus or retain a connection to the school.

Alabama is a "hot" school for several reasons among young people across the country looking to attend college. The winning football program sure doesn't hurt. But I doubt many of their out of state grads stay in Alabama to live and work after graduation. I know too many come to Nashville area to find employment.
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No doubt...they go where hot job market is, and Nashville, ATL, Charlotte are about the hottest in SE. That being said, I (unfortunately) live in NJ, and my son is a senior, having been thru college fairs, recruiters, applications, etc. I can tell you that Bama and S. Carolina are by far the most visible SEC schools up north...offering really aggressive academic scholarships to raise their bar...
 
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njvols said:
No doubt...they go where hot job market is, and Nashville, ATL, Charlotte are about the hottest in SE. That being said, I (unfortunately) live in NJ, and my son is a senior, having been thru college fairs, recruiters, applications, etc. I can tell you that Bama and S. Carolina are by far the most visible SEC schools up north...offering really aggressive academic scholarships to raise their bar...
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Agreed. I lived in NYC for several years and never met a single other TN grad. I now live in the San Francisco Bay area, and have never met one here either. I've met more Vandy grads (by far) working outside the state than TN.
 
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KBVol said:
Wow. Bama hires an AD before the job officially opens and Tennessee has been looking six months.

-Clay Travis

Sums it up pretty good. And, if recent reports are accurate, we may still be 3-4 months away from a hire, even though the best candidate is already in our University system an hour and a half away from campus.
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Typical
 
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volgrad500 said:
Agreed. I lived in NYC for several years and never met a single other TN grad. I now live in the San Francisco Bay area, and have never met one here either. I've met more Vandy grads (by far) working outside the state than TN.
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Never see the reverse here as well
 
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volfannbama said:
Are the walls crumbling because everyone is against you? How pathetic to think ive got to create some false narrative to make UT look worse than what it is.

People in Alabama are not happy about the rise in tuition over the last few years. To help bring in more money, Alabama has focused on bringing in more out of state students to boost tuition revenue. However nothing in Alabama is a big story because their football team wins.

To the contrary, evverything in Tennessee is a big story because athletics suck.
Just like this hire, the only diffence is Hart announced retirment early and Battle didnt. If Hart had not announced his retirement and the admin had went behind the scene to hire the next AD, this would be a story and we would have a thread about the Alabama AD on a UT message board.
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Again, you continue to toss around a narrative that simply is not true. And not to make UT "look worse", but alternatively to subconsciously deflect from reality by creating a notion that the comparator somehow isn't everything they're cracked up to be.

The facts show that Bama's tuition increases have remained in-line with peers, and remains LOWER than that of UT. The success of athletics there doesn't hide the academic or enrollment growth as some ridiculously buried story...it has driven and enhanced it. Instate, out of state, who the hell cares? It's growth, and out of state only expands the wallet, as well as the brand. The idea that there's some groundswell of unrest by UA people is laughable.

Or, keep spinning it...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rs-are-standing-still/?utm_term=.99b89dff4a01
 
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