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Tenn_Vol_Authority

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To Fans of the Big Ten and College Football :: <blank>

I really hate Fulmer right now, because the Penn St loss is the foundation of this guys argument.

The Big Ten was 2-1 vs. the SEC in this past season's bowl games.
The Big Ten is 8-6 vs. the SEC in bowl games over the last five years
The Big Ten is 13-13 vs. the SEC in bowl games over the last decade.
Over the last nine years of Bowl Championship Series games, the Big Ten leads all conferences with 15 berths while ranking second with eight victories. The SEC tops all leagues with nine wins and ranks second to the Big Ten with 13 appearances.
In the last 10 years the Big Ten has produced two national champions compared to three for the SEC.
In the last 15 years the Big Ten has produced five Heisman Trophy winners, more than any other conference. Over that same time span, the SEC has claimed one Heisman.
While the SEC ranked first among various recruiting rankings, the Big Ten ranked second or third nationally with four to five programs rated among the top 25 recruiting classes.
The Big Ten has a history of developing players - the most recent Heisman Trophy winner, Troy Smith, was one of the last players to receive a scholarship from Ohio State.
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I love speed and the SEC has great speed, especially on the defensive line, but there are appropriate balances when mixing academics and athletics. Each school, as well as each conference, simply must do what fits their mission regardless of what a recruiting service recommends. I wish we had six teams among the top 10 recruiting classes every year, but winning our way requires some discipline and restraint with the recruitment process. Not every athlete fits athletically, academically or socially at every university. Fortunately, we have been able to balance our athletic and academic mission so that we can compete successfully and keep faith with our academic standards.
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Well, IMO, any argument that needs to cite Heisman statistics is immediately dismissed.
 
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"Not every athlete fits athletically, academically or socially at every university. Fortunately, we have been able to balance our athletic and academic mission so that we can compete successfully and keep faith with our academic standards."

How soon Maurice Clarrett has been forgotten up there.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
"Not every athlete fits athletically, academically or socially at every university. Fortunately, we have been able to balance our athletic and academic mission so that we can compete successfully and keep faith with our academic standards."

How soon Maurice Clarrett has been forgotten up there.
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Yeah, and how soon they forget how Heisman winners have a history of getting their ass handed to them in bowl games. Reggie Bush being an exception. Then again, his was (apparently) bought and paid for.

Look, if you have to explain to people why "your conference' is best...you're second place at best.

Personally, I think Phil oughta have to wear black shoes. and pants that are three inches too short, for the rest of his life, for having lost games to Joe Pa that even Joe Pa admits we should have won.

Kudos to Joe Pa and his staff.

Phil......well...never mind.

Go Vols.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
"Not every athlete fits athletically, academically or socially at every university. Fortunately, we have been able to balance our athletic and academic mission so that we can compete successfully and keep faith with our academic standards."

How soon Maurice Clarrett has been forgotten up there.
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Great point.
 
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If someone really wanted to they could state a case for why the WAC is the best in College Football.
 
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Any conference that went 2-5 in bowl season and had their champion beaten so bad that they will be feeling it in 10 years is not the best conference.
 
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Anybody see Herbstreit on Friday night say that Ohio State and Michigan's bowl losses in big game situations set that conference back at least ten years.... I could not believe what I was hearing from an ABC/ESPN guy...
 
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Sounds like they brought this up to try to prove to themselves that they are the best. A recent look at this past bowl season and its final scores says otherwise in my book. Lame argument to say the least.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
Anybody see Herbstreit on Friday night say that Ohio State and Michigan's bowl losses in big game situations set that conference back at least ten years.... I could not believe what I was hearing from an ABC/ESPN guy...
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Herbstreit has been known to be impartial sometimes :)
 
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The entire post by this jackarse is a not-so-veiled suggestion that the Big Ten teams can't recruit speed because of their academic requirements.

First, that's a bunch of crapola. I am quite certain that on the whole the Big Ten schools don't use higher academic thresholds than do the SEC schools when recruiting. Second, this guy better watch out because the eventual nuance of that argument -- especially with his repreated implication that speedier athletes are dumber -- has a racial overtone.

For a guy pinning his argument that the Big Ten would have better recruits but for the fact that they are smarter, he's an idiot of the highest order.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The entire post by this jackarse is a not-so-veiled suggestion that the Big Ten teams can't recruit speed because of their academic requirements.

First, that's a bunch of crapola. I am quite certain that on the whole the Big Ten schools don't use higher academic thresholds than do the SEC schools when recruiting. Second, this guy better watch out because the eventual nuance of that argument -- especially with his repreated implication that speedier athletes are dumber -- has a racial overtone.

For a guy pinning his argument that the Big Ten would have better recruits but for the fact that they are smarter, he's an idiot of the highest order.
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In fact LG, I'll go one further and say there is little left to doubt he is a racist.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The entire post by this jackarse is a not-so-veiled suggestion that the Big Ten teams can't recruit speed because of their academic requirements.

First, that's a bunch of crapola. I am quite certain that on the whole the Big Ten schools don't use higher academic thresholds than do the SEC schools when recruiting. Second, this guy better watch out because the eventual nuance of that argument -- especially with his repreated implication that speedier athletes are dumber -- has a racial overtone.

For a guy pinning his argument that the Big Ten would have better recruits but for the fact that they are smarter, he's an idiot of the highest order.
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He's using the Vanderbilt arguement!
 
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lawgator1 said:
The entire post by this jackarse is a not-so-veiled suggestion that the Big Ten teams can't recruit speed because of their academic requirements.

First, that's a bunch of crapola. I am quite certain that on the whole the Big Ten schools don't use higher academic thresholds than do the SEC schools when recruiting. Second, this guy better watch out because the eventual nuance of that argument -- especially with his repreated implication that speedier athletes are dumber -- has a racial overtone.

For a guy pinning his argument that the Big Ten would have better recruits but for the fact that they are smarter, he's an idiot of the highest order.
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Reminds me of the comments that Paul Hornung made a few years back about ND and black athletes.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Yeah, and how soon they forget how Heisman winners have a history of getting their ass handed to them in bowl games. Reggie Bush being an exception.
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Matt Leinhardt was the exception; USC lost their bowl game after Bush won the Heisman. You may have been speaking of individual performances, but I thought I would point that out.

On the article, it is pointless, meaningless, and erroneous for the commissioner to claim superiority over another conference based on a select set of criteria; it smaks of arrogance and envy at the same time. A man in his position confident of his place in the NCAA universe would not need to argue his case in print--it would be clear for all to see. Doing so only allows people to notice the flaws in his arguement.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The entire post by this jackarse is a not-so-veiled suggestion that the Big Ten teams can't recruit speed because of their academic requirements.

First, that's a bunch of crapola. I am quite certain that on the whole the Big Ten schools don't use higher academic thresholds than do the SEC schools when recruiting. Second, this guy better watch out because the eventual nuance of that argument -- especially with his repreated implication that speedier athletes are dumber -- has a racial overtone.

For a guy pinning his argument that the Big Ten would have better recruits but for the fact that they are smarter, he's an idiot of the highest order.
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Good points all.

justingroves said:
He's using the Vanderbilt arguement!
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The fact is, that argument has at least some validity at Vandy. It might at Northwestern. It does not at any of the other ten schools in his conference. Perhaps he would like it to be so, and therefore they would all field teams as successful and competitive as NW and VU.
 
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cotton said:
Good points all.



The fact is, that argument has at least some validity at Vandy. It might at Northwestern. It does not at any of the other ten schools in his conference. Perhaps he would like it to be so, and therefore they would all field teams as successful and competitive as NW and VU.
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I'd say UM is every bit as good as NW and VU.
 
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The guy's just responding to some criticism he's been getting from around the conference. What's he supposed to say. I don't like the implication that faster = dumber, but outside of that he used historical bowl record to support himself. What he didn't say was that his teams tend to beat undermotivated SEC squads in the Music City Bowls of the world. They do not win meaningful games against the SEC. I'd love to line them up top to bottom and play. I suspect the stats he's spouting would NOT be indicative of the true strength of the teams.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'd say UM is every bit as good as NW and VU.
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Latest rankings by USN&WR show NW 14, VU 18, UM 24. Michigan is a good school, and one of the best public schools in the country.

It is not as selective in it's students as Vandy or Northwestern. It is certainly not as selective regarding the academic standards of its student athletes as Vandy (I am not as familiar with the academic requirements at Northwestern for athletes, which is why I qualified them in my original post.)
 
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