Big Name/Big Splash Coach Thread (merged)

#79
#79
So Kelly is the big "Splash"? I mean seriously? I hope someone is joking because Brian Kelly isnt bringing alot of excitement (at least not to me).
Brian Kelly is the best we can get at UT? wow....someone might want to see if Fulmer has left the building yet...
 
#80
#80
Yeah...Kelly isn't a big splash by any means. may do a good job, but doesn't have any splash-factor to him.
 
#81
#81
There's a certain arrogance among some of the VN that Tennessee can and should land a coach who will make a "big splash."

Who the hell are we, anyway? Take a step back and do some subjective and honest self-evaluation. Sure, we have a huge stadium, lots of games on TV, a great fan base, great facilities, etc. But being in the SEC cuts both ways. It's an elite conference, but the competition is the toughest there is.

When Saban arrived at LSU, he talked about how many great players from Louisiana he had seen in the NFL, and said he could build a winner just by keeping the state's best talent in Red Stick. He proved to be correct. Conversely, Tennessee cannot rely on in-state talent alone, and the situation has been exacerbated by the closing of our pipelines to neighboring states.

Tennessee has two national titles and was a dominant team in the 90's when it wasn't playing Florida, Penn St. and Nebraska, but it is not in the uppermost echelon that includes the likes of USC, Notre Dame, Ohio St., Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Alabama. Sure, some of those programs have had down cycles and a couple are down now, but in the overall history of college football, Tennessee is not in the "first tier". Sorry if the truth hurts, but there it is.

So, why would Tennessee be the dream job for any coach who would be classified as a "home run" as soon as his hiring was announced? And what business do we have expecting it to be?

True, enough money might land a big fish, but I'd see such a guy as mercenary after nothing more than a fat check and a chance to massage his ego by pointing at Tennessee 5 or so years down the road and saying "Look what I did". Such a coach would end up looking at UT as a ticket punch on the way to an even bigger gig, and the only positive thing about his stay in K-town, other than the W's, would be to elevate the attractiveness of the HC job at UT. If we can pull off such a thing, then more power to us, but somehow I can't picture any of the heavy hitters picking up the phone after the CPF firing presser to call their agents and direct them to open the back-channels of communication.

As much as I'd love to see Cowher or Gruden roaming the sidelines clad in orange, I can't picture that with my head out of the clouds. When it comes down to it, the hire will be more of who we can get than who we want to get. And I'd rather it wasn't someone who had to be lured here with $$$. I'd like it to be a guy to saw Hammy pull the trigger and said to himself, "I want to be the next head coach at Tennessee" before the first feelers ever came his way.

Great coaches don't just suddenly fall out of the sky, they have to make the journey. Perhaps the best we can hope for is that Hammy gets it right and our guy becomes "the next great coach".

I sure as hell don't want to go through a Zook before we get to a Meyer, or worse, go through the Alabama experience, but let's be realistic. Our next coach is going to be a dice roll that not everyone will be enthusiastic about.
 
#82
#82
So, why would Tennessee be the dream job for any coach who would be classified as a "home run" as soon as his hiring was announced? And what business do we have expecting it to be?

IMO it's a dream job for someone with the guts to step up and say "I'm not scared of the likes of Saban, Meyer, Richt, Miles or Spurrier. I am coming to Tennessee to prove that my system can and will destroy the Bamers, Gators, Dogs, etc. If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best and the best of the best is in the SEC."
 
#83
#83
Mudcat said:
Tennessee has two national titles and was a dominant team in the 90's when it wasn't playing Florida, Penn St. and Nebraska, but it is not in the uppermost echelon that includes the likes of USC, Notre Dame, Ohio St., Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Alabama. Sure, some of those programs have had down cycles and a couple are down now, but in the overall history of college football, Tennessee is not in the "first tier". Sorry if the truth hurts, but there it is.
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Tennessee is the top program in number of wins for the last 75 years and 6 or 7th all time. If that is not "first tier" then I just don't understand the term "first tier"
 
#84
#84
ChattVolFan64 said:


IMO it's a dream job for someone with the guts to step up and say "I'm not scared of the likes of Saban, Meyer, Richt, Miles or Spurrier. I am coming to Tennessee to prove that my system can and will destroy the Bamers, Gators, Dogs, etc. If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best and the best of the best is in the SEC."
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That's the coach I want. Whoever says that should be hired instantly.:rock:
 
#86
#86
Mudcat said:
There's a certain arrogance among some of the VN that Tennessee can and should land a coach who will make a "big splash."

Who the hell are we, anyway? Take a step back and do some subjective and honest self-evaluation. Sure, we have a huge stadium, lots of games on TV, a great fan base, great facilities, etc. But being in the SEC cuts both ways. It's an elite conference, but the competition is the toughest there is.

When Saban arrived at LSU, he talked about how many great players from Louisiana he had seen in the NFL, and said he could build a winner just by keeping the state's best talent in Red Stick. He proved to be correct. Conversely, Tennessee cannot rely on in-state talent alone, and the situation has been exacerbated by the closing of our pipelines to neighboring states.

Tennessee has two national titles and was a dominant team in the 90's when it wasn't playing Florida, Penn St. and Nebraska, but it is not in the uppermost echelon that includes the likes of USC, Notre Dame, Ohio St., Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Alabama. Sure, some of those programs have had down cycles and a couple are down now, but in the overall history of college football, Tennessee is not in the "first tier". Sorry if the truth hurts, but there it is.

So, why would Tennessee be the dream job for any coach who would be classified as a "home run" as soon as his hiring was announced? And what business do we have expecting it to be?

True, enough money might land a big fish, but I'd see such a guy as mercenary after nothing more than a fat check and a chance to massage his ego by pointing at Tennessee 5 or so years down the road and saying "Look what I did". Such a coach would end up looking at UT as a ticket punch on the way to an even bigger gig, and the only positive thing about his stay in K-town, other than the W's, would be to elevate the attractiveness of the HC job at UT. If we can pull off such a thing, then more power to us, but somehow I can't picture any of the heavy hitters picking up the phone after the CPF firing presser to call their agents and direct them to open the back-channels of communication.

As much as I'd love to see Cowher or Gruden roaming the sidelines clad in orange, I can't picture that with my head out of the clouds. When it comes down to it, the hire will be more of who we can get than who we want to get. And I'd rather it wasn't someone who had to be lured here with $$$. I'd like it to be a guy to saw Hammy pull the trigger and said to himself, "I want to be the next head coach at Tennessee" before the first feelers ever came his way.

Great coaches don't just suddenly fall out of the sky, they have to make the journey. Perhaps the best we can hope for is that Hammy gets it right and our guy becomes "the next great coach".

I sure as hell don't want to go through a Zook before we get to a Meyer, or worse, go through the Alabama experience, but let's be realistic. Our next coach is going to be a dice roll that not everyone will be enthusiastic about.
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Number 7 in winning %, Number 9 in wins, only one of two schools never to have an 8 loss season (until our boy Phil tanked it). I'd say we are in the uppermost echelon.
 
#87
#87
Below is the list of wins after the 2007 season. Tennesee ranked #8 after 2007. If Tennessee is not a first tier program than I am not sure what is??????? But after this year Oklahoma would have passed them in the 8th spot. Still in top 10 for wins.

What follows is the list of the 10 winningest programs in the history of the game, ranked by total wins. The list is current through the end of the 2007 season.

1. Michigan: 869-286-36
2. Notre Dame: 824-278-42
3. Texas: 823-313-33
4. Nebraska: 815-333-40
5. Ohio State: 797-304-52
6. Penn State 789-347-42
7. Alabama: 787-314-43
8. Tennessee: 778-326-55
9. Oklahoma: 777-297-53
10. USC: 754-303-54
 
#88
#88
doubleb said:
Below is the list of wins after the 2007 season. Tennesee ranked #8 after 2007. If Tennessee is not a first tier program than I am not sure what is??????? But after this year Oklahoma would have passed them in the 8th spot. Still in top 10 for wins.

What follows is the list of the 10 winningest programs in the history of the game, ranked by total wins. The list is current through the end of the 2007 season.

1. Michigan: 869-286-36
2. Notre Dame: 824-278-42
3. Texas: 823-313-33
4. Nebraska: 815-333-40
5. Ohio State: 797-304-52
6. Penn State 789-347-42
7. Alabama: 787-314-43
8. Tennessee: 778-326-55
9. Oklahoma: 777-297-53
10. USC: 754-303-54
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In the last 75 years the list looks like this.
Tennessee .733%
Bama .73%
Ohio state.728
Notre dame .728
Michigan .722
Oklahoma .715
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#90
#90
We should not have to worry about being a top tier program. Being average and getting an average coach should be just fine. Afterall, we were very average for the last 10 years.

Who cares if we draw 100,000 fans or not? And a SEC Championship every 10-15 years should not be a problem at all.

I believe you belong at Vanderbilt!!!!!!!!!
 
#91
#91
Georgia, Florida, Alabama, LSU have been effective in sealing off the borders against out of state recruiting raids. South Carolina has been more effective at this as well and if Butch Davis stays at UNC, North Carolina will be a more difficult place for the Vols to recruit.

being realistic, the ability to achieve more with less talent will be absolutely critical for the next coach. I won't name names as to which candidate I think would be best at that
 
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#92
#92
Tennessee has a great tradition. I would not consider it a top-tier program. 1 National Championship in 50 years just does not do it. People who think we will land a good coach because we are the University of Tennessee are being subjective to say the least.
 
#93
#93
VolTx said:
Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Louisiana have been effective in sealing off the borders against out of state recruiting raids. South Carolina has been more effective at this as well and if Butch Davis stays at UNC, North Carolina will be a more difficult place for the Vols to recruit.

being realistic, the ability to achieve more with less talent will be absolutely critical for the next coach. I won't name names as to which candidate I think would be best at that
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I just don't understand this argument. We have something like 25-30 players on our roster from those states including our best player in Eric Berry.:crazy:
 
#94
#94
PhillipNverfulmer said:
Tennessee has a great tradition. I would not consider it a top-tier program. 1 National Championship in 50 years just does not do it. People who think we will land a good coach because we are the University of Tennessee are being subjective to say the least.
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I think Tennessee is a top job because we have pretty good talent, great facility's, a huge stadium, giant fan base, money to spend, tradition of winning, and we are in the top conference in the NCAA.:dance: If I left anything out please everyone pitch in......
 
#95
#95
But my point is that we don't land a top notch coach for the sole reason we are the University of Tennesse. We land a top notch coach because if you want to be regarded as the best you want to challenge and beat the best. And the SEC east is arguably the best of the best.
 
#97
#97
What a bunch of loser philosophy coming from the OP. Methinks you are still holding the Fulmer torch.
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#98
#98
Where's a cop when you need one??

CPF needs to be arrested he has given way to many UT fans the "Battered Wife Complex". I am going to puke the next time I hear we can't do any better, we're just TN..
 
#99
#99
Okay...get ready to criticize all you want, but this is just my humble opinion in a brainstorming sort of way.

I say the powers that be give Mike a nice blank check and let him surprise the college football world by enticing one of the following to leave their comfy confines and come to U.T. to win a national championship soon:

Pete Carroll
Mark Richt
Jim Tressel
Bob Stoops

...or someone the equivalent. Let's just go for it.

Now, your criticisms and comments are more than welcome!
 
#100
#100
I like this - I agree 100% with you. UT is a big time job at a big time school in a big time conference with a great fan base. I think anyone would consider it with the right financial package.
 
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