Big 10 on fraud alert?

[barney]

Oregon beat Idaho by *7 points*, Boise by 3, Ohio State by 1, Wisconsin by 3. Alabama pounded Wisconsin by 32 points at Wisconsin.

Ohio State of course lost to Michigan at home. Texas beat Michigan by 19 at Michigan.

Ohio State, Penn State and Oregon haven't played in a good out-of-conference game this year. Ohio State has undeniable talent, but how battle tested are they in big out of conference games?

All this to say, I think its a big mistake to write off Tennessee on our side of the bracket given how untested the cream of the Big 10 crop is.

 

[BeardedVol]

The yearly reminder that there is no 'transitive property of college football' needs to be reiterated.

 

[DaddyChad]

Oregon beat Idaho by *7 points*, Boise by 3, Ohio State by 1, Wisconsin by 3. Alabama pounded Wisconsin by 32 points at Wisconsin.

Ohio State of course lost to Michigan at home. Texas beat Michigan by 19 at Michigan.

Ohio State, Penn State and Oregon haven't played in a good out-of-conference game this year. Ohio State has undeniable talent, but how battle tested are they in big out of conference games?

All this to say, I think its a big mistake to write off Tennessee on our side of the bracket given how untested the cream of the Big 10 crop is.

A lot of overconfidence on our side as well. Ohio state is very, very talented. They could have the best roster in this entire playoff. That said this will be one of the best teams as far as LOS talent that they’ve played. I think Day is only a mediocre coach. We could win, hell we could win by a wide margin if we’re on. But our offense has been herky, jerky on and off all year; you’ll have a drive where they just dominate then turn over the ball inside the red zone or we’ll just go cold as ice for a few series. Ohio state is too damn good a team to start slow or have those offensive lulls against.

I think either of these teams can win this whole playoff but it’s a damn hard road for either of them.

 

[vik]

Oregon beat Idaho by *7 points*, Boise by 3, Ohio State by 1, Wisconsin by 3. Alabama pounded Wisconsin by 32 points at Wisconsin.

Ohio State of course lost to Michigan at home. Texas beat Michigan by 19 at Michigan.

Ohio State, Penn State and Oregon haven't played in a good out-of-conference game this year. Ohio State has undeniable talent, but how battle tested are they in big out of conference games?

All this to say, I think its a big mistake to write off Tennessee on our side of the bracket given how untested the cream of the Big 10 crop is.

I know exactly what you mean!

myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com
I - FBS	Tennessee	beat	Alabama	24-17
I - FBS	Alabama	beat	Georgia	41-34
I - FBS	Georgia	beat	Texas	30-15
I - FBS	Texas	beat	Michigan	31-12
I - FBS	Michigan	beat	Ohio St	13-10

But it works both ways:

myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com
I - FBS	Ohio St	beat	Nebraska	21-17
I - FBS	Nebraska	beat	Colorado	28-10
I - FBS	Colorado	beat	Oklahoma St	52-0
I - FBS	Oklahoma St	beat	Arkansas	39-31
I - FBS	Arkansas	beat	Tennessee	19-14

 

[TrueOrange]

The yearly reminder that there is no 'transitive property of college football' needs to be reiterated.

Someone really needs to make a big GIF or JPEG to post that says it.

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

I think 2 teams are built with speed of top tier SEC Teams. Oregon and Ohio State. Physically Penn State matches up. We lost to Arkansas I don't feel Penn State would have lost that game. Indiana is the one I dont know how to quantify. Clearly their resume shows they beat no one on top end but they hammered the cellar dwellers of the B1G. In this playoff Penn State and Indiana though have the easiest path so I don't know that they will be viewed as unsuccessful because advance one game for either of them will be a success. Oregon and Ohio State though can beat us badly if we don't play our B game or better. If we do the C game we have played a handful of times we will be out of game by fourth quarter.

 

[KTrain]

This game comes down to a few factors as Josh says every game has its own identity, why transitive games are a bad barometer'
* Field position= STs need to cover on K-Offs & punts make them drive the whole field
* Turnovers = win the turnover ratio
* Penalties = avoid penalties that put you behind the chains & on D avoid PIs & facemask & roughing the passer to keep opponent drives alive

 

[sami]

Nothing would make me happier than to see Ohio State, Penn State, and Indiana all bounced on the first weekend. Just to jam it down the throats of the arrogant national media types talking up the Big 10 all season. Let their only team left be a Pac-12 remnant, and then we can knock them out in week 2.

 

[deatojl]

The yearly reminder that there is no 'transitive property of college football' needs to be reiterated.

I absolutely agree with you. However, transitive property is actively being used to rank teams and to justify teams like Texas being ahead of Tennessee.

 

[NetworkVol]

Ohio state is 2-13 against the SEC in post season play. 1 of those 2 wins got vacated. None of that matters on Saturday but I found the stat to be hopeful since we are 7 pt underdogs.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

A lot of overconfidence on our side as well. Ohio state is very, very talented. They could have the best roster in this entire playoff. That said this will be one of the best teams as far as LOS talent that they’ve played. I think Day is only a mediocre coach. We could win, hell we could win by a wide margin if we’re on. But our offense has been herky, jerky on and off all year; you’ll have a drive where they just dominate then turn over the ball inside the red zone or we’ll just go cold as ice for a few series. Ohio state is too damn good a team to start slow or have those offensive lulls against.

I think either of these teams can win this whole playoff but it’s a damn hard road for either of them.

The team that brings the best focus and intensity will win. We can’t afford silly penalties and mistakes. We have to be ready to play our best. If we do that we can definitely win. We got to keep the intensity and execution from start to finish. GBO

 

[KINGSVOL]

Yeah, how many thought Iowa would shut down our offense last year, best defense in the country, of course it is, if you don't play anyone with an offensive pulse.

OSU, PSU, and IU have done absolutely nothing to show they would be top tier in the SEC this year!

We go uptempo, they will have issues with it, thier online CANNOT handle our Dline.

If we come out swinging, this game could get ugle for Day before the next.....!

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Nothing would make me happier than to see Ohio State, Penn State, and Indiana all bounced on the first weekend. Just to jam it down the throats of the arrogant national media types talking up the Big 10 all season. Let their only team left be a Pac-12 remnant, and then we can knock them out in week 2.

Well, maybe not Indiana, because that would mean Notre Dame does the bouncing.

 

[sami]

Well, maybe not Indiana, because that would mean Notre Dame does the bouncing.

In this case only, I'm pulling hard for ND. Just to make a point about the pathetic Small 10.

 

[volbound1700]

Ohio state is 2-13 against the SEC in post season play. 1 of those 2 wins got vacated. None of that matters on Saturday but I found the stat to be hopeful since we are 7 pt underdogs.

True but none of those games were in their home stadium

 

[Cartervol]

They gave them the easiest path possible. Maybe one home team loses this weekend. Home field is a big advantage and Sankey looks like a fool to me right now.

 

[SockeyeVol]

I absolutely agree with you. However, transitive property is actively being used to rank teams and to justify teams like Texas being ahead of Tennessee.

Not really.

The main thing used to rank teams is their records, somewhat adjusted by results from the past Saturday.

The "anchoring" that results is why we then hear complaints about how team X shouldnt be lower than team Y, given that X beat Z, but Y didn't.

 

[rjd970]

In this case only, I'm pulling hard for ND. Just to make a point about the pathetic Small 10.

ND has been somewhat fraudulent this year too and they always get the benefit of the doubt most other teams don’t. I would love to see ND lose to Indiana and then Indiana get pummeled in the second round.

 

[BruisedOrange]

I absolutely agree with you. However, transitive property is actively being used to rank teams and to justify teams like Texas being ahead of Tennessee.

That's to decide who's "better" --- not who's going to win in a head-to-head matchup.

That's the fallacy and foolishness of every tournament to determine a champion. It seldom reflects who was or is best.

Just makes $$$.

 

[sami]

ND has been somewhat fraudulent this year too and they always get the benefit of the doubt most other teams don’t. I would love to see ND lose to Indiana and then Indiana get pummeled in the second round.

I have no love for ND and agree they are as fraudulent as the Big 10 teams, but I want to see that conference get obliterated so all the "experts" in the national media who see the Big 10 as the SEC's equal can eat their words.

 

[GoDucks349]

Oregon beat Idaho by *7 points*, Boise by 3, Ohio State by 1, Wisconsin by 3. Alabama pounded Wisconsin by 32 points at Wisconsin.

Ohio State of course lost to Michigan at home. Texas beat Michigan by 19 at Michigan.

Ohio State, Penn State and Oregon haven't played in a good out-of-conference game this year. Ohio State has undeniable talent, but how battle tested are they in big out of conference games?

All this to say, I think its a big mistake to write off Tennessee on our side of the bracket given how untested the cream of the Big 10 crop is.

I like you guys and I expect to see you in the Rose Bowl. Just a couple points about "out of conference games", Oregon beat Idaho by 10 (not 7), certainly a bad game by the Ducks, beat Boise by 3 (Boise CC has a bye in the playoffs and an RB that was 2 in the heisman and took care of Oregon St (traditional rival with a chip on their shoulder over the colapse of the PAC-12) on the road 49-14.

Tenn took care of Chatawho? The #10 team (NC ST)in the Almost Competitive Conference, ken St? seriously?, and the university of totaly enept people (UTEP). Question is, just which of these out of conference games are you most proud of?

 

[sami]

I like you guys and I expect to see you in the Rose Bowl. Just a couple points about "out of conference games", Oregon beat Idaho by 10 (not 7), certainly a bad game by the Ducks, beat Boise by 3 (Boise CC has a bye in the playoffs and an RB that was 2 in the heisman and took care of Oregon St (traditional rival with a chip on their shoulder over the colapse of the PAC-12) on the road 49-14.

Tenn took care of Chatawho? The #10 team (NC ST)in the Almost Competitive Conference, ken St? seriously?, and the university of totaly enept people (UTEP). Question is, just which of these out of conference games are you most proud of?

The knock on Big 10 teams when compared to the SEC is not about out of conference games, it's about the quality of depth of the conferences themselves. There are very few 'easy' road games in the SEC - this year, Miss. St. and Kentucky might have been the only ones, as even Auburn can be a handful at Jordan-Hare. Hell, Vandy became a tough out this season.

The Big 10 has 8-10 awful teams and a few others in the mediocre range. CFP teams like Penn State and Indiana beat up on awful schedules this season while losing to the only decent teams they played. You would and should have blown Penn State off the field, but your defense actually made Drew Allar look like a competent QB. That defense might do you in before long.

The funny thing is that Oregon, a Pac-12 team, is the standard bearer for that conference. But the national media's touting of the Big 10 and the asinine "strength of record" (which I never even heard of before it became a rallying cry this year to prop up schools that played joke schedules) is the thing that has made this playoff into a farce and more of a made-for-TV beauty pageant than an actual championship test of the best 12 teams in the country.

Oregon is legit, as is Ohio State due to the incredible talent level. Beyond that, a few pretenders and a lot of dreck. If Indiana gets their ass kicked at ND and Penn State doesn't roll to the final four with the draw they were gifted in this silly bracket, it would expose the conference as the fraud that it is.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

A lot of overconfidence on our side as well. Ohio state is very, very talented. They could have the best roster in this entire playoff. That said this will be one of the best teams as far as LOS talent that they’ve played. I think Day is only a mediocre coach. We could win, hell we could win by a wide margin if we’re on. But our offense has been herky, jerky on and off all year; you’ll have a drive where they just dominate then turn over the ball inside the red zone or we’ll just go cold as ice for a few series. Ohio state is too damn good a team to start slow or have those offensive lulls against.

I think either of these teams can win this whole playoff but it’s a damn hard road for either of them.

This. They’ve lost 2 games by 4 points. Yes, they lost to Michigan, and losing to this years version of Michigan should be unacceptable, but they’re loaded w/ talent. This is a huge challenge. It’s going to take our best game to win I think . We have to win upfront on the d line . If we slow down Judkins and Henderson we can be in a good spot .

 

[HiltonHeadVol]

A lot of overconfidence on our side as well. Ohio state is very, very talented. They could have the best roster in this entire playoff. That said this will be one of the best teams as far as LOS talent that they’ve played. I think Day is only a mediocre coach. We could win, hell we could win by a wide margin if we’re on. But our offense has been herky, jerky on and off all year; you’ll have a drive where they just dominate then turn over the ball inside the red zone or we’ll just go cold as ice for a few series. Ohio state is too damn good a team to start slow or have those offensive lulls against.

I think either of these teams can win this whole playoff but it’s a damn hard road for either of them.

I find it mind numbing that anyone on our side would feel overconfident against this team of thoroughbreds from Columbus. Fan bases have all types, and we got ours too.

 

[Enigmatic_Vol]

Oregon beat Idaho by *7 points*, Boise by 3, Ohio State by 1, Wisconsin by 3. Alabama pounded Wisconsin by 32 points at Wisconsin.

Ohio State of course lost to Michigan at home. Texas beat Michigan by 19 at Michigan.

Ohio State, Penn State and Oregon haven't played in a good out-of-conference game this year. Ohio State has undeniable talent, but how battle tested are they in big out of conference games?

All this to say, I think its a big mistake to write off Tennessee on our side of the bracket given how untested the cream of the Big 10 crop is.

When UAT pounded Wisconsin, their starting QB (Van Dyke- transfer from Miami) got hurt early in the first quarter... took them several games to regroup. I put zero credence in that game.