Big 10+1 Commisioner

[Tenn_Vol_Authority]

You for got the most important stat. Woodson was the best shutdown corner. That doesn't go in the statbook, but it is hard to ignore that.

He played in the Big 10, where they mostly run the ball and have less talent than the SEC.

Lets see what he would have done playing against Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, and Alabama in 1997...

 

[tvolsfan]

Manning was the best QB, impossible to ignore that. Woodson was the best player on the best team, not the most outstanding.

Best QB doesn't always equal most outstanding. 1997 was one of those years.

 

[justingroves]

back up your statements or quit spitting out Big10 talking points. If a shutdown corner was the only qualification then why didnt Deion win one?

Deion was also a better returner and reciever than Woodson.

 

[tvolsfan]

A great cornerback cannot have the same impact on the game as a great QB. Don't throw to Woodson's side and he's dealt with.

You can't take the ball out of a QB's hands

Then should they rename the award best qb award?

 

[The Dude]

back up your statements or quit spitting out Big10 talking points. If a shutdown corner was the only qualification then why didnt Deion win one?

Because he didn't play in the mid west.

 

[tvolsfan]

Manning was the best QB, impossible to ignore that. Woodson was the best player on the best team, not the most outstanding.

He was the reason they were the best team.

 

[Tenn_Vol_Authority]

Woodson didn't get it for career accomplishments. He got it because he was the best player in 1997.

Like I said, if it isn't based on career accomplishments, explain 1998 Heisman winner?

And I could make a very compelling argument that Randy Moss was better than Woodson by a country mile...

Woodson deserved to be 3rd in voting, at best.

 

[The Dude]

Then should they rename the award best qb award?

I was thinking "most popular among yankees" award. Real football is played in the south.

 

[utvolpj]

I also think Wuerfel in 96 had a little thing to do with it.

 

[tvolsfan]

Because he didn't play in the mid west.

Because he had to beat out Barry Sanders.

 

[The Dude]

He was the reason they were the best team.

Not making him the best player in the nation.

 

[justingroves]

Then should they rename the award best qb award?

No. But look at the impact Woodson and Peyton had on the outcome of their games in 97. Woodson had one game where he returned a punt for TD that got him recognized. Without Peyton, UT would not have been anywhere near the level that they were at in 97.

 

[tvolsfan]

Like I said, if it isn't based on career accomplishments, explain 1998 Heisman winner?

And I could make a very compelling argument that Randy Moss was better than Woodson by a country mile...

Woodson deserved to be 3rd in voting, at best.

Williams also ran for 2000+ yards.

 

[therealUT]

No. But look at the impact Woodson and Peyton had on the outcome of their games in 97. Woodson had one game where he returned a punt for TD that got him recognized. Without Peyton, UT would not have been anywhere near the level that they were at in 97.

And, 1998 was...?

 

[tvolsfan]

Not making him the best player in the nation.

But certainly helping him make a great case for it.

 

[justingroves]

Moss had better statistics than Woodson also. I can't believe I agree with TVA

 

[tvolsfan]

And, 1998 was...?

Do I have reinforcements?

 

[tvolsfan]

Moss had better statistics than Woodson also. I can't believe I agree with TVA

But Moss also played at Marshall.

 

[utvolpj]

And, 1998 was...?

Al Wilson

 

[The Dude]

But certainly helping him make a great case for it.

Not seeing eye-to-eye with you on that one.

Johnny was robbed of the award by a player on a losing team, so saying that helps his argument is crap.

 

[justingroves]

And, 1998 was...?

National Championship. And that holds water because? You believe they win as many games in 97 with Tee Martin as a sophomore at QB?

 

[tvolsfan]

Not seeing eye-to-eye with you on that one.

Johnny was robbed of the award by a player on a losing team, so saying that helps his argument is crap.

Something that happened that long before doesn't really help your argument.

 

[therealUT]

Heading into the '97 season, the Heisman was Peyton's to lose. He lost it against Florida.

There were no other real front runners. Woodson took the lead with the return to put the OSU game away. The voters could not award Manning, since he almost single handedly threw away his teams title hopes, when everyone in the nation had UT as a title front runner heading in to the season.

 

[tvolsfan]

Great, some more support. Now I just need Hatvol.

 

[therealUT]

National Championship. And that holds water because? You believe they win as many games in 97 with Tee Martin as a sophomore at QB?

What evidence is there against them winning as many games with Tee as a sophomore? Absolutely none.