Bible Topic Thread (merged)

#251
#251
lzbvol said:
It may sound extreme and harsh-- but the sad fact is that ANY group that says you may pray to the heavenly FATHER thru any person but CHRIST is teaching FLASE Doctrine--
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therealUT said earlier that Catholics also pray directly to God, unless I am mistaken. I am not for sure about this as I am not a Catholic. I do however believe that ANYONE who accepts Christ as their savior will be in Heaven with me someday.
 
#252
#252
sea of orange said:
therealUT said earlier that Catholics also pray directly to God, unless I am mistaken. I am not for sure about this as I am not a Catholic. I do however believe that ANYONE who accepts Christ as their savior will be in Heaven with me someday.
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:yes: I want to post some stuff on the Heaven question earlier but don't have my Bible or notes with me so I'm going to wait till I get home.
 
#254
#254
JZVOL said:
:yes: I want to post some stuff on the Heaven question earlier but don't have my Bible or notes with me so I'm going to wait till I get home.
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Thanks will appreciate. Was beginning to think my question was being ignored. Offer an opinion and every Tom, Dick, and Harry responds. Actually ask a question and get no repsonses. Go figure.:crazy:
 
#255
#255
allvol123 said:
Thanks will appreciate. Was beginning to think my question was being ignored. Offer an opinion and every Tom, Dick, and Harry responds. Actually ask a question and get no repsonses. Go figure.:crazy:
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:eek:lol: very funny and very true!
 
#256
#256
lzbvol said:
It may sound extreme and harsh-- but the sad fact is that ANY group that says you may pray to the heavenly FATHER thru any person but CHRIST is teaching FLASE Doctrine--

Think about any religous NUTS of our day where did most get thier roots? == Baptist Churches== Before the baptist bash me let me say I am a Baptist -- an independent missionary baptist to be exact-- but Jim Jones had his upbring as a baptist --- David Koresh even had a background related to baptist--

So I agree that whom Paul is speaking to is the Religous crowd --- They were around then and they are around now --- A religous leader will play a KEY role in the endtimes and I think I know the address that leader will have a least the city he will be from
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Nothing better than watching a good food fight between christians where one group accuses the other of not being true christians. It makes for great entertainment.:yes:
 
#258
#258
BigPapaVol said:
Catholics as false teachers is a bit extreme.
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And you completely ignored where I said my comments were not directed at anyone or any groups specifically. Please make sure you read all and take in what is said in entirety before saying I said something I actually did not.
 
#259
#259
allvol123 said:
Thanks will appreciate. Was beginning to think my question was being ignored. Offer an opinion and every Tom, Dick, and Harry responds. Actually ask a question and get no repsonses. Go figure.:crazy:
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Sorry, I would answer some of your questions now if I was at home with my book and my Bible, but I'm not and I don't want to misquote anything.
 
#260
#260
sea of orange said:
Sorry, I would answer some of your questions now if I was at home with my book and my Bible, but I'm not and I don't want to misquote anything.
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That is fine. But you can offer opinions as well. I am sure people have formed ideas in their head through an accumulation of knowledge.
 
#261
#261
CSpindizzy said:
And you completely ignored where I said my comments were not directed at anyone or any groups specifically. Please make sure you read all and take in what is said in entirety before saying I said something I actually did not.
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Please. You were on a soapbox and, at least, implying that your arguments were putting the Catholic in his place. Your qualifier hardly changed what you intended.

Look, I don't care which of you splits hairs better, but this is exactly the type of unending, trivial debate that gives guys like mybloodrunneth ammo to say Christians are buffoons. We have done it to ourselves historically and made a laughingstock of our religion in the eyes of many. Whether we're wrong or right, our life principles should result in our being very well respected by non-Christians. However comma, that has not been the case because of things like this (and minor little things like crusades and state religions)
 
#262
#262
Thoughts on Heaven much of which come from a book by Bruce Bickel and Stan Jantz.

Heaven is a real place where Jesus now lives (Acts 3:21)
and where those who have trusted in Him will live in the future (John14:2)

There will be NO sorrow, crying, or pain and Heaven's inhabitants will never again experience death (Rev. 21:4).

We will be able to see Jesus face-to-face and be able to interact with Him(1 John 3:2)
We will serve God (Rev. 5:10) and give praise to Jesus (Rev. 5:12).

We will be reunited with our believing loved ones who died before us (Matt. 8:11)
 
#264
#264
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Will we have bodies in Heaven?

If you have received Jesus as you savior, you are guaranteed a resurrected golrified body. Paul writes in 1 Cor. 15:53 that"For our perishable earthly bodies must be transformed into heavenly bodies that will never die."
Will we have the same imperfections and scars of our earthly bodies? Thomas did feel Jesus' scars, but God is the ultimate healer so that is tuff to answer.

Will we recognize each other in Heaven?
The resurrected body of Christ can give clues. His body was glorified BUT his disciples STILL recognized Him. So it seems logical to conclude we will also recognize each other (Matt. 8:11).

Will there be sex in Heaven?
Mark 12:25 says when the dead rise they will be like the angels in heaven. God allows sex ONLY in marriage , and there won't be marriage in heaven so it would seem there won't be sex in heaven.

Do people in heaven see us now?
1 Cor. 11:10 says that the angels are watching in real time so why not the saints that are in heaven? I think most of us would like to think the saints can see us.

Animals in heaven?
The Bible doesn't speciffically say anything about this. Animals weren't created in the image of God, which means they don't have eternal souls. But some might say why not? Green fields and flowers will be in heaven so why not animals?

Will we ever get bored in heaven?
Well with an endless amount of time in heaven, we will be able to explore the person of God(which would seem endless). We will also be living in God's newly created universe. which will be at our fingertips to explore and learn about. Also we will have an infinite amount of time to learn about each other.

It is so exciting to think about talking with Moses, Paul, Peter, Mary, John the Baptist among all the other saints!
 
#265
#265
BigPapaVol said:
that your arguments were putting the Catholic in his placPlease. You were on a soapbox and, at least, implying e. Your qualifier hardly changed what you intended.

Look, I don't care which of you splits hairs better, but this is exactly the type of unending, trivial debate that gives guys like mybloodrunneth ammo to say Christians are buffoons. We have done it to ourselves historically and made a laughingstock of our religion in the eyes of many.
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I wouldn't say buffoons really, but this is just the sort of thing that made me reconsider whether I really wanted to be a christian or not, and had alot to do with why I ultimately walked away from everything I had once believed.

I just find it interesting when those who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ act more like the Pharisees that Jesus was constantly condemning than they do like their Lord.
 
#266
#266
New Jerusalem, a city, will also be in heaven. Rev. 21 describes it in great detail.

Hebrews 11:10 says "Abraham... was confidently looking forward to a city with eternal foundations, a city designed and BUILT by God.
 
#267
#267
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I wouldn't say buffoons really, but this is just the sort of thing that made me reconsider whether I really wanted to be a christian or not, and had alot to do with why I ultimately walked away from everything I had once believed.

I just find it interesting when those who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ act more like the Pharisees that Jesus was constantly condemning than they do like their Lord.
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I would say don't sacrifice an eternity with Jesus because of a bunch of sinners sinning! The onlt "christian" who will never let you down is Christ. I know that sound simple but I would have left my faith a long time ago if I let other "christians" dictate my faith in the Lord. CHRISTIANITY IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION IT IS ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST!

Trust mw when I was in high school my youth minister had an affair with his secreatary and that hurt. BUT it's not about him it is about Christ!
 
#268
#268
Romans 3:22-24
"This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Crist Jesus."
 
#269
#269
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I wouldn't say buffoons really, but this is just the sort of thing that made me reconsider whether I really wanted to be a christian or not, and had alot to do with why I ultimately walked away from everything I had once believed.

I just find it interesting when those who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ act more like the Pharisees that Jesus was constantly condemning than they do like their Lord.
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Agree with JZVol on this MBRO. There are no perfect humans, you should not use people in considering your faith.
 
#270
#270
Thanks for the answers JZVol. I guess the whole eternity things intrigues me. I don't see that I am capable of understanding what my purpose will be at that point.
 
#271
#271
Ok, I am finally home. The book is called "Heaven" and the author is Randy Alcorn.


At first glance, some scriptures seem to answer "utterly destroyed": Luke 21:33, 2 Peter 3:10, Revelation 21:1. In contrast, there are passages that speak of the earth remaining forever: Ecclesiastes 1:4, Psalm 78:69. However, the same Hebrew word translated "forever" in these passages is used elsewhere in ways that don't mean forever(Deuteronomy 15:17). It is clear that the earth as it is now will not remain forever--but what does that really mean?

Scripture says that the fire of God's judgement will destroy "wood, hay or straw," yet it will purify "gold, silver, and costly stones," which will all survive the fire and be carried over into the new universe(1 Corinthians 14:13). Similarly, the apostle John notes that when believers die, what they have done on Earth to Christ's glory "will follow them" into Heaven(Revelation 14:13). These are earthly things that will outlast the present Earth.
There is no reason to doubt that they will be transfigured and transformed by their liberation of the curse, but they will be in essential continuity with our experience now--just as our resurrected bodies, though glorified, will still be bodies.
Romans 8:19-23 inseparably links the destinies of mankind and Earth. As such, the earth will be raised to new life in the same way our bodies will be raised to new life.

When Christ returns, God's agenda is not t destroy everything and start over, but to "restore everything."(Acts 3:21)

The earth's death will be no more final than our own. The destruction of the old Earth in God's purifying judgement will immediately be followed by its resurrection to new life. Earth's fiery "end" will open straight into a glorious new beginning.
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#272
#272
allvol123 said:
Thanks for the answers JZVol. I guess the whole eternity things intrigues me. I don't see that I am capable of understanding what my purpose will be at that point.
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It intrigues me also. I guess it truely comes down to walking by faith which I think is the hardest thing to do. I don't think any of us are capable of understanding but I can't wait to find out!
 
#273
#273
JZVOL said:
I would say don't sacrifice an eternity with Jesus because of a bunch of sinners sinning! The onlt "christian" who will never let you down is Christ. I know that sound simple but I would have left my faith a long time ago if I let other "christians" dictate my faith in the Lord. CHRISTIANITY IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION IT IS ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST!

Trust mw when I was in high school my youth minister had an affair with his secreatary and that hurt. BUT it's not about him it is about Christ!
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The pharisee mentality is only part of it. It's the part that started me on my quest. Once I really took a look at the Bible for myself, and I'm not talking about some pastor's version of what it says, but taking what it actually says, I was appauled. It is my personal conclusion that the Bible is a collection of ancient texts written by early man detailing God as he saw him. Much of it is no doubt historically accurate, as it is a written history of the nation of Israel. It is not, however, the infallable word of God in my opinion. With that in mind, I don't really know what I believe about God. I do believe that there is a higher power that created the universe simply because I don't accept that it was random chance. Beyond that I really don't know.
 
#275
#275
Here is some more stuff
Sadly, even among Christians, it's a prevalent myth that Heaven will be boring. Sometimes we can't envision anything being strumming a harp and polishing the streets of gold. We've succumbed to Satan's strategies "to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place" (Revelation 13:6).

In the presence of God, there's nothing but joy(Psalm 16:11).

On the New Earth, God will give us renewed minds and marvelously consturcted bodies. We'll be whole people, full of energy and vision.
The God who created us to do good works (Ephesians 2:10) will not cancel this purpose when he resurrects us to inhabit the new universe.
Work in Heaven won't be frustrating or fruitless; instead, it will involve lasting accomplishment, undindered by decay and fatigue, enhanced by unlimited resources.
We'll see [God's] wonders not only in his natural creation but also in every human achievement.
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