Best Value Coach

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UneducatedGuess said:
So - based on this conclusion - Dabo and Saban are the least valuable

You are missing two pieces

1. Valuing all benefits
Wins produce revenue.
Championships produce additional revenue
Building a brand reduces recruiting costs and adds talent value

2. Valuing strong conferences
Not all wins are created equal
Weak conferences don’t bring in nearly the revenue
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Tennessee generates a ton of revenue. Our football program has actually grown in value under Jones. By that measure he's probably the best bargain in football.
 
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golfballs said:
Tennessee generates a ton of revenue. Our football program has actually grown in value under Jones. By that measure he's probably the best bargain in football.
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we've reached the point where the opportunity cost is too high........:p
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
I have done some quick analysis looking at coach salaries average wins/yr and longevity. Defining best value as cost per win on current contract. Note: I did an estimated Salary for Les Miles of $4.3M/yr. Not sure if that would get him or not. Avg P5 salary is in the low $4M range. I did an estimated Salary for Chip Kelly at $5M/yr. Took out Saban since his $11M is a significant outlier.
I also took out coaches who have averaged less than 8 wins per year.
I broke he coaches into two groups those who have been coaching 5+ yrs and those who have not.

For the seasoned coaches Brian Harsain at Boise topped the list at $180K per win. Career 730 win %.

For the Jr list it was short: Scott Satterfield at a mere $81K per win. And Chip Kelly at an estimated $434K per win.

And for those curious about our current coach. He is costing us about $544K per win. That is more than Mike Gundy, Bobby Petrino, Chris Petersen, Mark Dantonio, Bronco Mindenhall, Paul Johnson, Dana Holgerson to just name a few notables.
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Nice work, GA'05. However, your thread hasn't attracted the frantic posts of DG's as yet. The power of prose, perhaps?
 
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Value coaches at food city in dented can mark down bin. Plus don’t forget your value card.
 
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KingtUT said:
I will be thrilled if we end up with Dan Mullen
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After everyone turns us down, I am betting on Mike BoBo to take the job and get the same results as bUTch and Dooley...

Currie, prove me wrong, please...........
 
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I threw together a scatter plot with all Power 5 coaches pay and their pre-season coaching grade. The grade is a composite of CFBProfessor's Grade, Rating, a rating from Football Study Hall of coaching overachievers. The fit line is the "expected" rating for a given salary. I then measured expected vs actual. The Top 20 is below. Rememeber this is based on preseason, so obviously James Franklin would definitely be higher now.

BTW, there's no way Brian Kelly is only getting paid $1.6M

The one outlier to the bottom is Rich Rod. $6.5M!
 

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All this talk about Mullen, perhaps we should take a look at Sumlin should he get fired from TAMU. Has the same competition as Mullen, but he avg 8.4 wins/ yr to Mullen's 6 win/yr average. Sumlin is currently making $5M/yr, Mullen $4.5M. That is why I think the Mullen talk is moot. Its going to take $5.5M to get him out of Starkville. But if Sumlin is fired, we can get him at a reduced rate, a' la USF and Charlie Strong.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
All this talk about Mullen, perhaps we should take a look at Sumlin should he get fired from TAMU. Has the same competition as Mullen, but he avg 8.4 wins/ yr to Mullen's 6 win/yr average. Sumlin is currently making $5M/yr, Mullen $4.5M. That is why I think the Mullen talk is moot. Its going to take $5.5M to get him out of Starkville. But if Sumlin is fired, we can get him at a reduced rate, a' la USF and Charlie Strong.
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Count me as on who'd rather have Sumlin than Mullen.
 
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golfballs said:
I threw together a scatter plot with all Power 5 coaches pay and their pre-season coaching grade. The grade is a composite of CFBProfessor's Grade, Rating, a rating from Football Study Hall of coaching overachievers. The fit line is the "expected" rating for a given salary. I then measured expected vs actual. The Top 20 is below. Rememeber this is based on preseason, so obviously James Franklin would definitely be higher now.

BTW, there's no way Brian Kelly is only getting paid $1.6M

The one outlier to the bottom is Rich Rod. $6.5M!
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Ok. Yeah ND doesn't have to disclose and after their run a few yrs back, I would say he's making $5M, as well. So looks like we should really pursue Brohm and Doeren for "realistic" candidates. I think they buyouts are again what the school owes the coach if they fired them.
 
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I tell ya...I'm about bargained out...these clearance sales got me dead tired...:)

GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Like any commodity... you pay the most as you approach the margins. You might be able to get 9 wins cheaper than 12 on a per win basis... but the value of those other 3 wins is greater than the 9.
 
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sjt18 said:
Like any commodity... you pay the most as you approach the margins. You might be able to get 9 wins cheaper than 12 on a per win basis... but the value of those other 3 wins is greater than the 9.
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well said.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Ok. Yeah ND doesn't have to disclose and after their run a few yrs back, I would say he's making $5M, as well. So looks like we should really pursue Brohm and Doeren for "realistic" candidates. I think they buyouts are again what the school owes the coach if they fired them.
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Lololololol. Has nothing to do with the ‘run’

ND is a private institution and doesn’t have to disclose that information
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Ok. Yeah ND doesn't have to disclose and after their run a few yrs back, I would say he's making $5M, as well. So looks like we should really pursue Brohm and Doeren for "realistic" candidates. I think they buyouts are again what the school owes the coach if they fired them.
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Yeah they look good on paper, but still have issues. Doeren is solid, but he's a slow-builder and boring to watch. He'd get run out of town after 2 years here. Also, even though he comes cheap, I don't think he's in a much different realm as Butch. I'm sure Butch could have done ok at NC State.

With Brohm, he's done really well with what he's been given at each school. The biggest question is how he does against big competition. One year isn't a good enough gauge, and we'll be able to say after next year. Obviously we can't wait. I'd rather get a proven commodity like Kelly. that being said, if we don't get a big name, Brohm would probably be my top choice.
 
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sjt18 said:
Like any commodity... you pay the most as you approach the margins. You might be able to get 9 wins cheaper than 12 on a per win basis... but the value of those other 3 wins is greater than the 9.
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This is absolutely true. However the more money the buyer or consumer has the more they are willing to pay a larger sum for the extra wins.

Tennessee has the larger $ but they have not been willing to pay higher prices for higher dividends.

Bama got to the point they were tired of losing. They had the money an decided whatever the spike came at they would pay it..........and that has been working.
 
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If we have to go Bargain coach, I’m snatching up Scott Frost. A lot of people say he’s Nebraska bound, but I’ve also heard he doesn’t want to coach his alma mater bc if it went down hill, it would ruin a lot of relationships he has back home. Guess he likes being the home town hero too much to risk tearing his own accomplishments down. Nebraska would also be a hard place to recruit to. Even with him as head coach. At UCF you don’t even have to leave the state to take in some pretty good recruits. A lot of the Florida 3 stars are better than some 4 stars out there in other stats.

But he seems to have the right personality of a future big time coach. If you have to take a risk, go with him. He’s coached both offense and defense. Currently has the #1 scoring offense in all of FBS. Chip Kelly raves about him and highly respects him...and chip Kelly doesn’t even talk much lolol.

I think outside of Gruden/Kelly you go after Frost 3rd. Probably Norvell after that.
 
#46
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Best value coach would be me. I've got experience coaching little league soccer (won the U-6 division in year 2). UT would have to pay my buyout from the Kings Mountain YMCA though for my above duties with little league soccer but I'm pretty sure my buyout is just to give back my tee shirt that says coach on it.

Just throwing that out there in case we whiff on our first 19 choices.
 
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Booker512 said:
If we have to go Bargain coach, I’m snatching up Scott Frost. A lot of people say he’s Nebraska bound, but I’ve also heard he doesn’t want to coach his alma mater bc if it went down hill, it would ruin a lot of relationships he has back home. Guess he likes being the home town hero too much to risk tearing his own accomplishments down. Nebraska would also be a hard place to recruit to. Even with him as head coach. At UCF you don’t even have to leave the state to take in some pretty good recruits. A lot of the Florida 3 stars are better than some 4 stars out there in other stats.

But he seems to have the right personality of a future big time coach. If you have to take a risk, go with him. He’s coached both offense and defense. Currently has the #1 scoring offense in all of FBS. Chip Kelly raves about him and highly respects him...and chip Kelly doesn’t even talk much lolol.

I think outside of Gruden/Kelly you go after Frost 3rd. Probably Norvell after that.
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You’d think refusing to come home to fix the program wouldn’t ingratiate him with those relationships. See Tee Martin.
 
#48
#48
Lets assume Frost will eventually end up coaching at Nebraska. That's a safe assumption.

But, listen to this. He's a young man. He can go home when they need a coach ten years from now.

We can afford to hire him now and tie him down for several years. He would listen because we have everything in place for him to win right now. If he can do it at UCF, its for damn sure he can do it at Tennessee.

Find out what it will cost and just do it!
 
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