Best quarterback in Vols history/Tommy Potts question (split)

#26
#26
No doubt in my mind. It has to be Peyton. Dewey Warren was pretty darn good in his day. Took care of the football and did what it took to be a winner. Very Green Bay Bart Starish. He has to be in my top 4. Guess no one else is old enough to remember him.
 
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#27
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1. Peyton Manning
2. Tony Robinson
3. Tee Martin
4. Andy Kelly
5. Casey Clausen
6. Tyler Bray*
7. Heath Shuler
8. Erik Ainge*
9. Condredge Holloway
10.Swamp Rat

*I have Bray ahead of Ainge based purely on the fact that Bray's stats are based on 3 season and Ainge's on 4 seasons. Also the fact that Bray had to suffer through the Dooley years and still put up crazy numbers. That offense was awesome and out up tons of stats and points. The only issue was the defense was literally one of the worst in college football history. Certainly the worst in UT football history.

Heath Shuler was a gamer, a tough guy. But, let's face it, not a very intelligent person. Period. A true VFL, no doubt. He won a lot of games. But, those Vol teams Shuler was on were very solid teams from top to bottom. If anything, they underachieved somewhat.

I do think Bray was a bit more of a gamer than Ainge. Ainge was on some really good squads too. But he was a bit of a choker. Ainge had tons of talent though.

People just don't care for Bray as a person. But that certainly shouldn't affect where should fall as one on UTs best QBs of all time. To not include him would be because of witch-hunt reasons....
 
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#32
1. Martin (brought home the bacon).
2. MANNING
3.Hollaway
4.Robinson
5.Shuler
6.Kelly
7.Clausen
8.Streater
 
#33
#33
Bash away but.......

I think Dobbs is a better QB than Tee Martin was. That's not a knock on Tee, I liked him too. Take the team they play on out of the equation and I think Dobbs has a better skill set. Some people use the championship to boost Tee on their list and that's fine but I think championships are more about the team. I always use the argument that Trent Dilfer has a SB ring and Marino doesn't. Nobody in their right mind is gonna say Dilfer is the better QB. Tee may have had some intangibles that Dobbs might not have (only time will tell) but purely based off skills, I take Dobbs.
 
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Regulator said:
Jimmy Streater was another good one.
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HoptownVol said:
Streater was a lot of fun to watch, you never knew what the hell was going to happen when he took
the snap. Not in the Top 5 however.
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LOVE me some Streater!!!

Talk about an athlete!

Who else remembers John Ward calling games with the Sylva Streak. Of course I was just a young lad at the time.
 
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#35
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I think Clausen is underrated but that is due more to the reasons as Peyton is heralded. Both we're grea college QB's but Clausen being a California Yankee and trying to be thuggish bring him down. Peyton to was better than great but he did meaningful things off the field su as when he bought those pizzas for students waiting in line for the Fla game.
 
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How do these stats hit ya:

1- 15 TDs 15 ints

Or

2- 5 tds 5 ints, 267 yards rushing


The senior years of Kelly and Holloway. I get the different era of Holloway, but he is talked about in God like terms by some people.

Don't even get me started on the interception machine named Andy Kelly. I laugh at the people that rank him higher than Shuler. Heck, I'd take Ainge over AK in a heartbeat.

Crompton's senior season was significantly better than any season AK had. And before you say "it was a different era!!" Kelly had more attempts his senior year than Jon did.

Kelly had an awesome line, great backs and when all else failed, he could shut his eyes and throw it straight up and let Carl Pickens catch it.

And yet he NEVER had a season with more TDs than Ints.

Still convinced he was colorblind.
 
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nashvols1 said:
I think Clausen is underrated but that is due more to the reasons as Peyton is heralded. Both we're grea college QB's but Clausen being a California Yankee and trying to be thuggish bring him down. Peyton to was better than great but he did meaningful things off the field su as when he bought those pizzas for students waiting in line for the Fla game.
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Clausen regressed hugely after his sophomore year. Most others didnt.
 
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I take Martin because of nc.. manning 2 due to the great run n Shuler 3 due to he was just a freak during that time n Tony r n Andy kelly. Casey was last great qb in 2000s
 
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#39
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Hey, it's a no-brainer- Manning.

But if you rephrase the question- which QB (assuming skill set from college days) would you like to see on this year's team? - I would take Shuler. He wasn't number 2 in the Heisman race that year without a reason. And I agree with the earlier poster that said he would fit in well with this offense.
 
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Wilhelm16 said:
Peyton all the way. Look what he's continued to do in the pros. Andy Kelly is the first Vols QB I can remember(also watched him with the Nashville Kats), and will always hold sentimental value. Andy had some elite Wr's though. Tee Martin didn't win those 13 games in 98 on his own, and I view him as a turncoat. Also, his comments about Jalen Hurd were uncalled for, and just plain wrong.
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What did Martin say about Hurd?
 
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TennesseeZep said:
1. Martin (brought home the bacon).
2. MANNING
3.Hollaway
4.Robinson
5.Shuler
6.Kelly
7.Clausen
8.Streater
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23 other starters helped bring that bacon home. Tee did so many great things that season, but we won games because of the defense and game management by the coaching staff. For the most part Cut protected Tee through a great deal of the season.

Edit: people always hate on Manning for not beating Florida, Tee threw for 67 yards when we beat them. Possibly Tee's greatest play of his career was a 3rd down scramble that got us into field goal range in overtime versus the Gators.
 
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#47
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Nasavol said:
Andy Kelly shouldn't be in the same universe as Manning, Shuler, Robinson, Condrege
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Kelly achieved far more than Shuler. Shuler may have had more talent, but I would take Kelly's career over Shulers. Win at South Bend, Sugar Bowl, league title, 11-1 season in 89. The guy had a great career. He had a ton of wraops and he was able to use them. Not always the case with a qb.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Heath Shuler. You don't even have him in your top 5.
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I don't think Heath Shuler was a top 5 QB at UT. Was he a hell of an athlete and competitor? Yes. Top 5 overall at UT from a pure competitor standpoint? Perhaps...arguably....yes...

Manning is best ever arguably at the position in college and professionally ever...he's in a league of his own.

Tony Robinson was probably the best athlete and pure QB talent ever at UT. He had the traditional tools you want in a QB coupled with being the best athlete on the field too. He was a freak of nature and just purely very talented. Unfortunately he had serious career ending injuries and as we know off the field issues (addictions) and that's just sad....
 
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MurphyVol said:
How do these stats hit ya:

1- 15 TDs 15 ints

Or

2- 5 tds 5 ints, 267 yards rushing


The senior years of Kelly and Holloway. I get the different era of Holloway, but he is talked about in God like terms by some people.

Don't even get me started on the interception machine named Andy Kelly. I laugh at the people that rank him higher than Shuler. Heck, I'd take Ainge over AK in a heartbeat.

Crompton's senior season was significantly better than any season AK had. And before you say "it was a different era!!" Kelly had more attempts his senior year than Jon did.

Kelly had an awesome line, great backs and when all else failed, he could shut his eyes and throw it straight up and let Carl Pickens catch it.

And yet he NEVER had a season with more TDs than Ints.

Still convinced he was colorblind.
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Brett Favre is all time interception leader in NFL. The guy doesn't belong in top 10 convo clearly.
 
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I can only speak for modern era: 1. Manning 2. Martin (only 2 yrs like Heath) 3. Clausen 4. Shuler 5. Holloway 6. Kelly. Really depends on criteria, we talking stats, skills, wins? People have diff ideas of what qualifies a guy to be in the convo. Its just a subjective argument. Also, having Tyler Bray anywhere on a top 10 list should get you banned.
 
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