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#27
#27
watch the last five minutes of a game with KG and Kobe. See who rises to the occasion. See who defers to his teammates, refuses to take the big shots, and shys away from contact. Kobe is a warrior, KG is a wimp. Anyone who says otherwise isn't paying attention. KG will never win a championship when he is the primary star.
 
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droski said:
watch the last five minutes of a game with KG and Kobe. See who rises to the occasion. See who defers to his teammates, refuses to take the big shots, and shys away from contact. Kobe is a warrior, KG is a wimp. Anyone who says otherwise isn't paying attention. KG will never win a championship when he is the primary star.
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I've seen several games where Kobe would get into a hissy fit and choose not to take shots. There was a game he played against Sacramento in Shaq's last season where he took like 2 shots the entire game.

Just because Kobe chucks up 30 shots a game at a 44% clip doesn't make him a a hero or a warrior. Heck, in the Detroit/Laker final a few years back, he shot the Lakers out of the series by not feeding Shaq.
 
#31
#31
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, look how well he did when he had Cassell and Sprewell on his team and they were the #1 seed in the West. Oh, that's right. They didn't make the Finals then, either.
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They made the conference finals and lost to Shaq/Lakers. Not sure if that is shame worthy or not...
 
#32
#32
Rasputin_Vol said:
I've seen several games where Kobe would get into a hissy fit and choose not to take shots. There was a game he played against Sacramento in Shaq's last season where he took like 2 shots the entire game.

Just because Kobe chucks up 30 shots a game at a 44% clip doesn't make him a a hero or a warrior. Heck, in the Detroit/Laker final a few years back, he shot the Lakers out of the series by not feeding Shaq.
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please. name me the game winning shot shaq has shot in a major playoff game. in the 4th quarter it was kobe, not shaq, that led those laker teams.
 
#33
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droski said:
please. name me the game winning shot shaq has shot in a major playoff game. in the 4th quarter it was kobe, not shaq, that led those laker teams.
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Hissy fits... he's a ballhog by nature, yet he chooses to pull stunts like these to prove that he is a team player. Whatever... Kobe is all about Kobe and has no idea what playing as a team means.

ESPN - Los Angeles vs. Sacramento Recap, April 11, 2004

Bryant, the NBA's fourth-leading scorer, took just one shot while playing 21 minutes in the first half. He passed up open looks, allowed Christie to bully him and didn't play his usual aggressive game until the third quarter, when the Lakers were 21 points behind.

After finishing with eight points on 3-of-13 shooting, Bryant insisted he wasn't avoiding shots -- even though that seemed obvious to everybody else at Arco Arena. His lone first-half shot was a missed 3-pointer when the shot clock was winding down midway through the second quarter.
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ESPN - Los Angeles vs. Phoenix Recap, April 24, 2007

Bryant tried to beat the Suns by himself in Game 1. This time, he mainly deferred to his teammates. The strategy that worked so well a year ago was a flop.


The NBA's scoring champ, coming off a 39-point performance in the Lakers' 95-87 loss in Game 1 on Sunday, scored 15 on 5-of-13 shooting. He shot 1-of-6 and scored six points in the final three quarters. He took one shot in the second quarter, and missed.
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#37
#37
droski said:
you'd be a ball hog too if your teamates were lamar odom and smush parker.
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He was a ball hog when Shaq was there also. What was his excuse then? Like I said, he essentially shot the Lakers out of the series against the Pistons.

ESPN - Detroit vs. Los Angeles Recap, June 06, 2004

Kobe Bryant heard the chants, firing up 27 shots of mostly dubious quality while scoring 25 points. But though Shaquille O'Neal went 13-for-16 on the way to 34 points, he didn't get the ball nearly enough in the second half.
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ESPN - Los Angeles vs. Detroit Recap, June 10, 2004

Kobe Bryant, the hero of Game 2, was held without a field goal in the first half and the Lakers were limited to the lowest postseason point total in their storied franchise history.

Bryant finished with just 11 points on 4-for-13 shooting and O'Neal scored 14. No one else on the Lakers scored in double figures.
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13 shots? I see a trend... when Kobe goes on his lil' hissy fits, he seems to always end up with 13 shots.

ESPN - Los Angeles vs. Detroit Recap, June 13, 2004

O'Neal took 21 shots and made 16, and he might have doubled those totals if his teammates had gotten him the ball more often. But Bryant somehow found it necessary to launch 14 attempts in the first half and 25 overall, many of which were both unwise and off-target.
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ESPN - Los Angeles vs. Detroit Recap, June 15, 2004

Coach Phil Jackson said there's only a slim chance he'll return for a sixth season with the Lakers. Bryant, 29-for-86 in the Lakers' four losses, reiterated his plan to opt out of his contract this summer.
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#38
#38
Ok, TVA. You may be taking this Kobe thing a little too seriously.

Was that your girlfriend in Colorado?
 
#39
#39
Jaytrain5 said:
Ok, TVA. You may be taking this Kobe thing a little too seriously.

Was that your girlfriend in Colorado?
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Nope, but Kobe ranks right up there with Ricky Davis, Rod Strickland, Karl Malone, and James Dolan as the biggest jokes in the past 15 years in The Association.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He was a ball hog when Shaq was there also. What was his excuse then? Like I said, he essentially shot the Lakers out of the series against the Pistons.
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shaq was out of shape and playing very poorly, malone was injured. who exactly was kobe supposed to be defering too? did he play well? no. but he made the right decision. His shots are down this year. why? because he actually has some talent around him. same was true when they won championships.
 
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droski said:
shaq was out of shape and playing very poorly, malone was injured. who exactly was kobe supposed to be defering too? did he play well? no. but he made the right decision. His shots are down this year. why? because he actually has some talent around him. same was true when they won championships.
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What are you talking about? Shaq was shooting the ball pretty well that whole series. A whole lot better than Kobe was.
 
#42
#42
Rasputin_Vol said:
Nope, but Kobe ranks right up there with Ricky Davis, Rod Strickland, Karl Malone, and James Dolan as the biggest jokes in the past 15 years in The Association.
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I love that you list a guy who is universally considered by players and GMs as the most underrated point guard of the last twenty years. What little NBA credibility you had just exited stage left.
 
#43
#43
Guys please. Like it matters anyway. It was over 3 years ago. Kobe is a tremendous basketball talent. I don't think anybody disputes that. He is immature when playing a lot of the time. But his talent is undeniable. And I can't stand the guy.
 
#44
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hatvol96 said:
I love that you list a guy who is universally considered by players and GMs as the most underrated point guard of the last twenty years. What little NBA credibility you had just exited stage left.
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Whatever ability or potential he could had was robbed of him by his alcoholism...

I would like to see this list of experts that hold him in such high regard, because there are equally as many (if not more) that look at him as a waste.
 
#45
#45
Rasputin_Vol said:
Whatever ability or potential he could had was robbed of him by his alcoholism...

I would like to see this list of experts that hold him in such high regard, because there are equally as many (if not more) that look at him as a waste.
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You know, you're exactly the type of poster that ruins this board. You've no more ever talked to an NBA GM than you have walked on the moon. Yet, you're going to tell me there's this long list of execs who have no use for a guy who is in the all time top 20 in assists. Stick to ripping Erik Ainge. It's the one thing you do well.
 
#46
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What are you talking about? Shaq was shooting the ball pretty well that whole series. A whole lot better than Kobe was.
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he had one great game. a game they lost by 12 points. the one game the lakers won, kobe was the leading scorer.

shaq got plenty of touches that series. the problem was that the 3rd through 8th guys were dead weight.
 
#47
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droski said:
he had one great game. a game they lost by 12 points. the one game the lakers won, kobe was the leading scorer.
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Kobe is the only reason they weren't swept. Don't try and use logic or reason on Rasputin/TVA. It's wholly ineffective. Detroit beat the Lakers for an exceptionally simple reason. They were better.
 
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superdave1984 said:
Guys please. Like it matters anyway. It was over 3 years ago. Kobe is a tremendous basketball talent. I don't think anybody disputes that. He is immature when playing a lot of the time. But his talent is undeniable. And I can't stand the guy.
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You are right. His talent is about on par with Dominique Wilkens.
 
#49
#49
hatvol96 said:
Kobe is the only reason they weren't swept. Don't try and use logic or reason on Rasputin/TVA. It's wholly ineffective. Detroit beat the Lakers for an exceptionally simple reason. They were better.
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A buzzer tying 2 pointer that pushed it overtime is your defense of Kobe for 29-86 shooting in the series? One shot? OK... :crazy:

The fact is, Kobe cost them more games in that series than he won them.
 
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