Best Parts in Knox to Live

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I’m contemplating buying an investment property and highly considering doing it in TN. I’m a UT grad and absolutely love the state of TN. I’ve thought about buying one in FL, but flood insurance is too much and there are so many hurricanes. I’m from NJ and currently live in NJ as well. I don’t want an investment property here because the taxes are so high and so is auto insurance and I think I can make a better investment elsewhere. Currently my house is worth about $225,000 but my property taxes are $8,500 a year. My thought process in getting an investment property is to continue living in NJ while I’m working and rent out the house in TN. When I’m ready to retire I could then move to TN. Because I’m looking to rent the property would I be better doing it somewhere in the Gatlinburg, Pigeon Forge area or somewhere near Knoxville or Nashville? I’m not super familiar with the areas- I dated a girl from Spring Hill when I was at UT, so I know that area a little bit, but that was over 10 years ago. I want a property that would entice renters to want to be there as well as me want to be there when I retire (whether that’s mountain view, lake view, river view, waterfront, or close to the city). Any help/suggestions are appreciated. Also, is there anything I should know about living in TN that would affect cost? I know property taxes are way lower in TN than NJ but is there anything else that is expensive and would deter me from wanting an investment property in TN?

First off. Your property taxes. Daaauummm. We have 100+ acres and 3 houses on the farm in Jackson County, TN
and pay a grand total of $3000 for it all. My portion with roughly 25 acres give or take and a 1450 SF house is only $500 a year.

Now, on to the question. Scenery wise, you can't go wrong anywhere in middle or east TN. The Cumberland Plateau is a large triangle of beauty that basically sits between Nashville/Knoxville/Chattanooga/KY. The two biggest towns in the Plateau would be Cookeville and Crossville. Offers great outdoors, and is your cheapest scenic area to live. Be careful picking though. Some of the counties in the Plateau are vacation only and offer no jobs or industry to attract full time renters. I haven't been much help, but it is hard to say exactly where the best views in middle Tn are. It doesn't matter where you go. Columbia/War Trace/Shelbyville/Woodbury/spencer/Sparta/Cookeville/Harriman/Celina/Pickett....there's not an ugly drive anywhere. Some areas better for investment than others, so make sure accessible to jobs. Knoxville/Nashville/Chattanooga commutable. People around here don't mind the 70 mile hike to Nashville
 
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Thanks. Since the property taxes in TN are so much lower I could go up a lot higher in price if need be and it would essentially be like what I’m paying here now and have a way bigger house. (I was looking online and could find 4,000 plus square feet homes with 5,6 bedrooms and 4 plus bathrooms on an acre lot for a couple hundred dollars a month more than what I’m paying now and it blew my mind) I’m just not sure what the rental market in TN is like and if it would make sense to do that. That’s the biggest reason I was thinking Gatlinburg area for tourism. Are there a lot of renters in the Knoxville area?

Gatlinburg could have higher property taxes due to the demand for tourist developments. Local hourly wage employees have a real hard time finding housing. No doubt there are overnight cagin rental opportunites in that area. I'm not real familiar with the specifics. There may not be a lot of people looking to rent $350,000 houses in the Gatlinburg area. Short term/over night rentals would be the sweet spot.

If looking for a rentable $300-$500k residential property the best bet is Farragut and the Pellissippi Parkway (I-140) corridor that connects Oak Ridge to McGhee Tyson airport. Lots of well paid scientific and engineering jobs drive up the demand for higher end residential rentals in those areas.
 
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Deane Hill West Knoxville is great. We bought our home 9 years ago & love the area.
 
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Gatlinburg could have higher property taxes due to the demand for tourist developments. Local hourly wage employees have a real hard time finding housing. No doubt there are overnight cagin rental opportunites in that area. I'm not real familiar with the specifics. There may not be a lot of people looking to rent $350,000 houses in the Gatlinburg area. Short term/over night rentals would be the sweet spot.

If looking for a rentable $300-$500k residential property the best bet is Farragut and the Pellissippi Parkway (I-140) corridor that connects Oak Ridge to McGhee Tyson airport. Lots of well paid scientific and engineering jobs drive up the demand for higher end residential rentals in those areas.

Thunder, just asking out of curiosity and feel free to not answer, but are you connected to real estate? Between this thread and your posts in Knoxville history threads, it kinda made me think you were, although maybe on the commercial side. Or even a CofC guy, that would make sense too.

Fwiw, I’m not in that field and I live in California so I’m not playing some ulterior motive in asking. Just curious about where your knowledge comes from.
 
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Thunder, just asking out of curiosity and feel free to not answer, but are you connected to real estate? Between this thread and your posts in Knoxville history threads, it kinda made me think you were, although maybe on the commercial side. Or even a CofC guy, that would make sense too.

Fwiw, I’m not in that field and I live in California so I’m not playing some ulterior motive in asking. Just curious about where your knowledge comes from.

I'm not in the real estate business, but I tend to study it. I did ace 3 or 4 real estate classes at UT a long time ago. Real Estate Finance. Urban planning. Had several construction classes as well at a different institution. Also I used to spend countless hours studying kgis.org . I think that I checked the owner card of every single Fort Loudon lakefront property in Knox one night.

I also used to watch the Knoxville City Council meetings on the public access channel.

I do know West Knoxville like the back of my hand.
 
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I'm not in the real estate business, but I tend to study it. I did ace 3 or 4 real estate classes at UT a long time ago. Real Estate Finance. Urban planning. Had several construction classes as well at a different institution. Also I used to spend countless hours studying kgis.org . I think that I checked the owner card of every single Fort Loudon lakefront property in Knox one night.

I also used to watch the Knoxville City Council meetings on the public access channel.

I do know West Knoxville like the back of my hand.

I get you. I work in the consulting end of land development so I understand where you’re coming from in your interests there. And I gotta say, a good GIS site is like crack and can suck me into a rabbit hole in a hurry if I’m not careful. What would be cool is if there were more depth of historical elements included in typical public GIS data.
 
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I get you. I work in the consulting end of land development so I understand where you’re coming from in your interests there. And I gotta say, a good GIS site is like crack and can suck me into a rabbit hole in a hurry if I’m not careful. What would be cool is if there were more depth of historical elements included in typical public GIS data.

I had only been scanning through the latest kgis info, but it has historical overlays with old aerial pics from multiple decades. I've seen a lot of them that people have posted as before and after looks. It could lure me in for countless hours of mindless surfing.
 
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My grandparents lived in the West Hills area and after my grandfather passed and my grandmother was moving to NC to be close to us we listed their house. I was amazed at what (on the low side) a 4500 Sq ft basement and two floors all brick house was selling for. Very nice area but if you have to get on Kingston Pike any time other than 3AM you have my sympathy. When I was young we could get to Fox Den Country club to play golf in less than 15 mins from their house and when I was in my mid 20s it would take 45-50 mins in the mid AM. Love going back for the 5-6 games a year but I swear the traffic in Knox is getting almost as bad as Atlanta.
 
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I grew up in Sequoyah Hills, I don’t think anything else compares in Knoxville.
grew up there, too. Was a great neighborhood to jog or walk in whenever I came home for a visit. But it was pure helll doing those hills for our junior high and high school coaches.
 
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Owning a home inside the Knoxville city limits could be a big mistake. The leaders are pretty far left (I think some are proud to be called socialists of some form or another) and like to spend, so taxes could become a huge issue. But hey, some people really like that political philosophy and want to join the community). To be bipartisan, previous Right orientated administrations left a lot of debt (how much did the convention center cost, $200,000,000?). An expensive new police headquarters is in the early stages. I'd suggest if you want to live inside the city limits, then rent at first or try to stay under $200k. You could actually still find nice, but modest 1,200-1,600 SF homes for $125-$150k.

The incorporated Town of Farragut was created for the purpose of blocking the city from annexing the nice homes out there (far west Knox County). I guess it's considered a bedroom community. Not really huge employers in Farragut outside of retailers. Knoxville and Farragut have agreed on future annexation borders. Buying in Farragut (or the unincorporated areas that have been designated for Farragut's future growth) is pretty sound. It's easy access to the airport, Oak Ridge, and still about 30 minutes to UT/Downtown. South of I-40 the Knoxville/Farragut border has generally been set around Lovell Road/Canton Hollow Road.

Riverbend is a great community that is close in west (Northshore Road/Lyons Bend Road, 10-15 minutes to UT/Downtown). Beautiful properties, on and close to the lake, Duncan Boat Dock, and the home owners are rich and powerful. It will be a long time before Knoxville has a chance to annex out in Riverbend even though it's practically inside of the city limits of Knoxville). The Haslams have hundreds of acres in Riverbend. The owner of HT Hackney has hundreds of acres.

Outside of Knox County, Maryville in Blount County and Lenoir City in Loudon County are good choices as is Sevier County (although lots of Smoky Mtn tourists clog up the roads, but locals learn the back roads).

There are some backwards people and areas within an hour outside of downtown Knoxville. Beautiful inexpensive lake properties, but you should research where the "Deliverance-like" fellers are living and breeding. Places like Del Rio in Cocke County or Morgan County... not even close to politically correct, tolerant communities in those places. Even Halls in North Knox County has had some crosses burned in yards about a generation ago.

Back to Knoxville/Knox County... West is Best, not debatable. Costs half again as much, but worth it. Hardin Valley is a booming, still rural area in NW Knox County. New HV High School. 90% of the private schools are out west (Webb, Catholic, CAK, Grace Christian).

Out in Farragut, the Concord community is like Mayberry. Concord Hills (1970s and later homes) is a high end neighborhood on the northern edge of the Town of Concord. Beware, the post office uses the term "Concord" for areas far east of the actual "town" of Concord. Fox Den (inside of the INCORPORATED Town of Farragut) is a beautiful neighborhood developed around 1970. Farragut is also loaded with dozens of neighborhoods full of McMansions.

Bearden High School is very good. But most of the "Bearden Community" residents are zoned for West High School (not a bad school either). Bearden High School is probably considered just west of the "Bearden" community.

Generally most of Knoxville is safe and prosperous. Much of the east side rates as the lowest in the economic pecking order. Of course there are lots of pockets of gentrification if you want to pay a lot of money for pretty restored areas that are vulnerable to nearby slummy parts spilling back over in the next severe economic downturn.

I have a **** ton more that I could say, but I've probably akready pissed off half the board by speaking the truth.
 
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.this is spot on. dad drug us back to Knoxville in 1950s but work took me elsewhere. if I had come back years ago it would have been to Sequoyah or riverbend areas.
 
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My grandparents lived in the West Hills area and after my grandfather passed and my grandmother was moving to NC to be close to us we listed their house. I was amazed at what (on the low side) a 4500 Sq ft basement and two floors all brick house was selling for. Very nice area but if you have to get on Kingston Pike any time other than 3AM you have my sympathy. When I was young we could get to Fox Den Country club to play golf in less than 15 mins from their house and when I was in my mid 20s it would take 45-50 mins in the mid AM. Love going back for the 5-6 games a year but I swear the traffic in Knox is getting almost as bad as Atlanta.

One big problem Knoxville has is that they let it develop west in a strip along that whole I-40/Kingston Pike corridor, which concentrates all the traffic into a single channel instead of spreading it out over a broader area. Probably makes it hard as hell to manage for things like emergency services as well.
 
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My grandparents lived in the West Hills area and after my grandfather passed and my grandmother was moving to NC to be close to us we listed their house. I was amazed at what (on the low side) a 4500 Sq ft basement and two floors all brick house was selling for. Very nice area but if you have to get on Kingston Pike any time other than 3AM you have my sympathy. When I was young we could get to Fox Den Country club to play golf in less than 15 mins from their house and when I was in my mid 20s it would take 45-50 mins in the mid AM. Love going back for the 5-6 games a year but I swear the traffic in Knox is getting almost as bad as Atlanta.
Uh, no...just got back from ATL. Yes there are a couple of hours each day that traffic will slow down for a couple of miles on the main routes, but slowing down to 25 on the interstate does not equal ATL
 
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Does anyone have much info down on the Tellico Lake areas? Rarity Bay, different Tellico Village communities, etc? Thanks in advance.
 
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I lived in the West Hills / Cedar Bluff area. I really liked that area but I left 20 years ago. I’m guessing it has changed a bit. I can’t seem to remember what my neighborhood was called. Can’t remember anything. Crestwood Hills was the neighborhood down the street a bit and that’s where I lived as a kid. The price of homes was very reasonable. You get 2x the square footage at half the price vs what people pay out here in Phoenix.
 
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Does anyone have much info down on the Tellico Lake areas? Rarity Bay, different Tellico Village communities, etc? Thanks in advance.

Google Tellico Village.

I heard from a guy that lives out that way and does sub-contractor work that the houses in Rarity Bay are built like crap. The original developer was a crook, but I think the Ayres family (Ayres Hall, Windriver, Cumberland Securities) might have bought up the unfinished parcels and would bring a higher level of quality to the new parts.
 
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I lived in the West Hills / Cedar Bluff area. I really liked that area but I left 20 years ago. I’m guessing it has changed a bit. I can’t seem to remember what my neighborhood was called. Can’t remember anything. Crestwood Hills was the neighborhood down the street a bit and that’s where I lived as a kid. The price of homes was very reasonable. You get 2x the square footage at half the price vs what people pay out here in Phoenix.

Gulf Park, Gulf Chase, Gulf Wood(s), Belmont West
 
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Lakefront Lifestyle Community in East Tennessee | WindRiver

Wind River is the closest residential community (and golf course and marina) to Lenoir City/Knoxville that's on Tellico Lake. It's just above Fort Loudon Dam and the canal that connects Tellico Lake to Fort Loudon Lake (and just on the other side of the dam from Watts Bar Lake). It's on the opposite side of Tellico Lake from Tellico Village. I'm not sure which county Wind River is in... could be Blount or Loudon.

It's not far from Tellico Marina, Fort Loudon Marina, Choto Marina, Concord Marina, Prater Flats, or Power Line Cove by boat. 25 miles or so to Neyland Stadium.
 
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Lakefront Lifestyle Community in East Tennessee | WindRiver

Wind River is the closest residential community (and golf course and marina) to Lenoir City/Knoxville that's on Tellico Lake. It's just above Fort Loudon Dam and the canal that connects Tellico Lake to Fort Loudon Lake (and just on the other side of the dam from Watts Bar Lake). It's on the opposite side of Tellico Lake from Tellico Village. I'm not sure which county Wind River is in... could be Blount or Loudon.

It's not far from Tellico Marina, Fort Loudon Marina, Choto Marina, Concord Marina, Prater Flats, or Power Line Cove by boat. 25 miles or so to Neyland Stadium.
It's a beautiful piece of property in a good location, for sure. Unfortunately, it got started right before the big real estate bust several years back, and quite a few people took a bath on lots (which they overpaid for like crazy on the front end).

From what I understand, the new ownership has committed to improving the course and community, and it has plenty of money to do so. It's a fun track, but definitely not one you would want to walk. The restaurant in the former Parade of Homes feature is very good. Two drawbacks for me are that it's quite a drive through the course to get to the residential area (which might get old after a while) and that TVA decided to NOT grant dock rights to the lots (which would be a deal-breaker for me, were I moving waterfront).
 
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