Best Case for DK?

[Skooter]

I think JJ Redick has done a terrible job with DK…trying to turn him into something he is not. He is not just a “corner catch and 3” player. He is a three-level player.

DK would be much better off out of LA.

With that said, DK looks completely lost on defense and that is on him. If he doesn’t figure it out, he won’t be in the league very long.

DK has shot terribly since he started working with JJ on a changed release. His confidence is gone

 

[EZE]

DK has shot terribly since he started working with JJ on a changed release. His confidence is gone

I agree completely. He looks nothing like the player that entered the league. He has regressed tremendously.

 

[EZE]

DK better pick it up because he’s currently playing himself into a ticket in the Euroleague.

LA is completely misusing him, but that isn’t going to matter.

 

[IndianaVol]

Reddick is using DK based on highlight reels and not what he can actually, or does.
LA should shop him around harder, but the problem is you aren't going to get what LA needs (a replacement for LeBron) with just DK...holding onto that rookie contract is easier than dealing that and boat load of other assets away to get what you really need.

 

[EZE]

Reddick is using DK based on highlight reels and not what he can actually, or does.
LA should shop him around harder, but the problem is you aren't going to get what LA needs (a replacement for LeBron) with just DK...holding onto that rookie contract is easier than dealing that and boat load of other assets away to get what you really need.

Hiding him in the corner for around one catch-and-shoot-3 per quarter is not his game.

 

[apevol]

DK has shot terribly since he started working with JJ on a changed release. His confidence is gone

jj duke bum

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

I don’t know where, but I have to think he’d be better off out of LA.

When LA traded for Luka, it greatly impacted the needs for surrounding pieces. They need defense-first perimeter players to cover up for Luka’s poor defense; whereas DK is an offense-first player.

I’m a Dallas fan, and given how it turned out (and conspiracy theories are perfectly understood), the Mavs made out like bandits. Luka brings a jaw-dropping game in some ways, but it is not the solid all-around game that wins championships IMO.

Dallas got significantly better. The Lakers have a long way to go. And LeBron might have to go too.

I’d like to see DK get in a situation where he gets 10+ shots per night.

Dallas got significantly better by trading a guy who had just led them to the Finals? Dallas must have won the Finals last year then.

 

[Jimmy Football]

He gives up on all this wacky adventure nonsense and goes back to climbing up buildings and rolling barrels down construction scaffolding.

 

[EZE]

Dallas got significantly better by trading a guy who had just led them to the Finals? Dallas must have won the Finals last year then.

Dallas traded an exceptional talent who needed to make a bigger commitment to his physical training…

—for—

Another HOFer who is injury prone AND

A generational talent who is 18 at best.

Yes, Dallas got very lucky and got better.

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

Dallas traded an exceptional talent who needed to make a bigger commitment to his physical training…

—for—

Another HOFer who is injury prone AND

A generational talent who is 18 at best.

Yes, Dallas got very lucky and got better.

Cooper is not a generational talent. People call every good prospect “generational.” The generational talent in his generation is Wemby.

They aren’t going to have enough shooting or offensive firepower, and I’d be willing to bet that they don’t make it back to a conference finals as currently constructed. AD isn’t capable of carrying a team there, Kyrie is coming off a very serious injury, and Flagg’s offensive game is nowhere near where it needs to be to carry a contending team.

 

[Vol49er]

Cooper is not a generational talent. People call every good prospect “generational.” The generational talent in his generation is Wemby.

They aren’t going to have enough shooting or offensive firepower, and I’d be willing to bet that they don’t make it back to a conference finals as currently constructed. AD isn’t capable of carrying a team there, Kyrie is coming off a very serious injury, and Flagg’s offensive game is nowhere near where it needs to be to carry a contending team.

I was gonna comment something like that first paragraph. We use the term generational too much. Flagg probably isn’t even the player on his own team who was the best young prospect (that being AD)

 

[apevol]

Cooper is not a generational talent. People call every good prospect “generational.” The generational talent in his generation is Wemby.

They aren’t going to have enough shooting or offensive firepower, and I’d be willing to bet that they don’t make it back to a conference finals as currently constructed. AD isn’t capable of carrying a team there, Kyrie is coming off a very serious injury, and Flagg’s offensive game is nowhere near where it needs to be to carry a contending team.

wemby is ralph sampson with more range
every time i look at him i see visions of ligaments ripping into a million pieces

 

[sami]

wemby is ralph sampson with more range
every time i look at him i see visions of ligaments ripping into a million pieces

Sampson wasn't even close to being the defensive player or offensive facilitator that this kid is, and Wemby is still only 21. If he stays healthy (admittedly a big 'if'), he's going to be downright scary when he really develops his game and understands how to play.

 

[sami]

Cooper is not a generational talent. People call every good prospect “generational.” The generational talent in his generation is Wemby.

They aren’t going to have enough shooting or offensive firepower, and I’d be willing to bet that they don’t make it back to a conference finals as currently constructed. AD isn’t capable of carrying a team there, Kyrie is coming off a very serious injury, and Flagg’s offensive game is nowhere near where it needs to be to carry a contending team.

Maybe not this year, but with a healthy Kyrie and Flagg having a season under his belt, they could be very good next year with some work on the fringes of the roster. Flagg may not be "generational", whatever that really means, but a kid who can do the things he can at 6'10" and at only 19 yrs. old? Yeah, that's something you can build a roster around for a long time.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Sampson wasn't even close to being the defensive player or offensive facilitator that this kid is, and Wemby is still only 21. If he stays healthy (admittedly a big 'if'), he's going to be downright scary when he really develops his game and understands how to play.

Sampson was a pretty good rim protector. In college. When 3-second violations were still being called.

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

Maybe not this year, but with a healthy Kyrie and Flagg having a season under his belt, they could be very good next year with some work on the fringes of the roster. Flagg may not be "generational", whatever that really means, but a kid who can do the things he can at 6'10" and at only 19 yrs. old? Yeah, that's something you can build a roster around for a long time.

Oh I think Cooper is a very good prospect, but I don’t think AD and Kyrie will be a viable duo by the time Flagg is ready to be a big piece on a contender.

 

[apevol]

Sampson wasn't even close to being the defensive player or offensive facilitator that this kid is, and Wemby is still only 21. If he stays healthy (admittedly a big 'if'), he's going to be downright scary when he really develops his game and understands how to play.

Sampson had already lost much of his athletecism by the time he entered the league. what we all saw isn't what the rockets thought they'd get when they took him

 

[omghulkhands]

Sampson wasn't even close to being the defensive player or offensive facilitator that this kid is, and Wemby is still only 21. If he stays healthy (admittedly a big 'if'), he's going to be downright scary when he really develops his game and understands how to play.

I’m very confident that Wemby has top 10 all-time player potential if he stays healthy.

 

[sami]

Sampson had already lost much of his athletecism by the time he entered the league. what we all saw isn't what the rockets thought they'd get when they took him

Sampson just wasn't that good. He was a great college player who dominated at this level but was unable to dominate against the bigger, more physical centers in the NBA. Hell, Dale Ellis at 6'7" shut his ass down in the NCAA's until he got into foul trouble with really bad ticky-tack calls.

 

[apevol]

Sampson just wasn't that good. He was a great college player who dominated at this level but was unable to dominate against the bigger, more physical centers in the NBA. Hell, Dale Ellis at 6'7" shut his ass down in the NCAA's until he got into foul trouble with really bad ticky-tack calls.

Durant was pushed around all over the court as a rookie, but he adjusted. difference there is, KD didn't conceal an injury that took away his footspeed and much of his leaping ability

Dale Ellis is one of the greatest interior scorers in Tennessee history, its absolutely wild that he ended up becoming a deep bomber because he was a tough post up guy in Knoxville

 

[sami]

Durant was pushed around all over the court as a rookie, but he adjusted. difference there is, KD didn't conceal an injury that took away his footspeed and much of his leaping ability

Dale Ellis is one of the greatest interior scorers in Tennessee history, its absolutely wild that he ended up becoming a deep bomber because he was a tough post up guy in Knoxville

I was in school at UT during the Ellis era, and whenever I would tell people later that Ellis was the best all around do-everything college player I had ever seen whose only slight question mark entering the draft was his perimeter shooting, they would laugh.

But the truth is that with no 3-pt. line there was never any reason to emphasize long distance perimeter shooting, and Ellis, as you said, possessed a low post game second only to Bernard King.

 

[apevol]

I was in school at UT during the Ellis era, and whenever I would tell people later that Ellis was the best all around do-everything college player I had ever seen whose only slight question mark entering the draft was his perimeter shooting, they would laugh.

But the truth is that with no 3-pt. line there was never any reason to emphasize long distance perimeter shooting, and Ellis, as you said, possessed a low post game second only to Bernard King.

just nuts how he flipped that switch.
its not like he was just a dude who developed a deep ball like jason kidd.

he was the most prolific and accurate three point shooter in history until Reggie showed up

he left the Mavericks feuding with his coach because the coach didnt think he could play at the 2, and his first year in seattle he absolutely explodes. Should have had more all star selections, but he got recognition as a 6th man when he moved on from seattle.

he was a menace to the western conference always hitting 3s at the worst possible moment for the opposing teams


I envy you because i wish i could've seen him play

 

[sami]

just nuts how he flipped that switch.
its not like he was just a dude who developed a deep ball like jason kidd.

he was the most prolific and accurate three point shooter in history until Reggie showed up

he left the Mavericks feuding with his coach because the coach didnt think he could play at the 2, and his first year in seattle he absolutely explodes. Should have had more all star selections, but he got recognition as a 6th man when he moved on from seattle.

he was a menace to the western conference always hitting 3s at the worst possible moment for the opposing teams


I envy you because i wish i could've seen him play

Yeah, that was a great time in the SEC, with guys like Wilkins, Barkley, and the Kentucky teams with Bowie, Master, and Walker coming in to Stokely. But with all that talent in the league, Ellis was the SEC POY and an All-American in his last two seasons. Watching him night to night was a clinic in how to be a leader and team player - always guarding the best player regardless of position, being unselfish to a fault with a pretty weak supporting cast, and having the ability to switch to closer mode while dragging two teams to the NCAA's even after Johnson, Carter, and Wood had graduated.

 

[The Dog]

Yeah, that was a great time in the SEC, with guys like Wilkins, Barkley, and the Kentucky teams with Bowie, Master, and Walker coming in to Stokely. But with all that talent in the league, Ellis was the SEC POY and an All-American in his last two seasons. Watching him night to night was a clinic in how to be a leader and team player - always guarding the best player regardless of position, being unselfish to a fault with a pretty weak supporting cast, and having the ability to switch to closer mode while dragging two teams to the NCAA's even after Johnson, Carter, and Wood had graduated.

Dale Ellis, imo, is the 2nd greatest player in Vols BB history, behind, of course, King.