Berry Fumble Return

#51
#51
To blame the refs for the loss is nothing but lame. I was there too and witnessed the sorry excuse of an offense. If you think we could have won except for the lousy calls of the refs that took our "momentum" away, you are in serious denial.
 
#53
#53
slobberknocker said:
To blame the refs for the loss is nothing but lame. I was there too and witnessed the sorry excuse of an offense. If you think we could have won except for the lousy calls of the refs that took our "momentum" away, you are in serious denial.
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I have to agree with you there...you can't depend on referee's calls to win the ballgame for you...we lost that game because of our inept stagnant offense.And poor coaching.
 
#54
#54
The Tall Gguy said:
Killing the spirit of an team who was up against and undefeated national title contender.

Seems low down to me. Watch the game. WE were in it until those 2 obviously blown calls.

Our guys threw in the towel after it was clear the refs were not going to allow them to gain momentum.

Give yourself a "freakin' break".

I went to the game to support my team. Where were you?
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If they did they didn't deserve to win.
 
#55
#55
The Tall Gguy said:
I was there and that call (the 2nd bad one) broke Tenn defense spirit. That was it. Another example of the refs screwing up a good game.
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Defense continued to play well so I do not think the spirit was broken. Even so, they had Briscoe on the sideline to yuck things up with and lift their spirits.
 
#56
#56
The Tall Gguy said:
I was there and that call (the 2nd bad one) broke Tenn defense spirit. That was it. Another example of the refs screwing up a good game.
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In yesterdays Falcons game there was a bad call that went against the Eagles on a roughing the passer. The TV announcers and studio personnel were howling at how bad it was. Instead of 4th down, Falcons got a new set of downs and went on to score. The Eagles put the bad call behind them and went on to win. Nobody is talking about it today.

Now, if the Eagles were a poor team this year and lost the game, there would be a small group of Eagles fans saying that the bad call cost them the game. It broke their spirits. :cray:

Ridiculous!
 
#57
#57
VolDad said:
In yesterdays Falcons game there was a bad call that went against the Eagles on a roughing the passer. The TV announcers and studio personnel were howling at how bad it was. Instead of 4th down, Falcons got a new set of downs and went on to score. The Eagles put the bad call behind them and went on to win. Nobody is talking about it today.

Now, if the Eagles were a poor team this year and lost the game, there would be a small group of Eagles fans saying that the bad call cost them the game. It broke their spirits. :cray:

Ridiculous!
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first, they had a segment on that call this morning on Mike & Mike. Second, they get paid millions of dollars for doing their job
 
#58
#58
utvolpj said:
first, they had a segment on that call this morning on Mike & Mike. Second, they get paid millions of dollars for doing their job
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So do I need to go back and cite examples of where good college teams overcome bad calls? You are not trying to say that because they are not professionals, getting paid millions of dollars, their spirits are broken and they don’t overcome them?

Every team has bad calls. I bet if you review the tape, Bamma has a few things they could be complaining about?
 
#59
#59
OWB said:
So I was just watching the Phil Fulmer show and I saw that fumble for the first time on TV and that definitely looked like a fumble. Maybe I didn't see it enough, but I'm thinking that should have been a TD for us and 16-10 game instead of a 22-3 game.

Did anyone DVR this game? When you go back and watch it over and over, was it as obvious as I thought it was?

I know it doesn't matter now, but I'm curious.
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I couldn't tell...Did the officials blow the whistle to kill the play? If they didn't, then how could they say that the ruling on the field was a "player down"? I officiated high school ball for seven years and if the player was down you blew the play dead. If you didn't blow the play dead, the ball was live. Maybe that is not how it is officiated in college. Just wondering?
 
#60
#60
my question is this:

In situations like this, why don't the ref's lean more towards it being a fumble, instead of leaning more towards calling it down?
Reasoning is this: If the play is ruled a fumbled, and then overturned due to video evidence, then the ball is placed where the runner was down.
However, when it is called down, although the defensive player may have ran the ball all the way back (as did berry), and then it is overturned, the ball is placed at the spot of the fumble where the defense first gained possesion. The run back would be negated.

It would seem more logical to lean towards calling plays like this a fumble.

This actually cost Tennessee the LSU game in 2004 when Jamarcus Russell fumbled, Tenn Recovered, but they ruled him down, although evidence clearly shows it was a fumble...LSU went on to score a winning touchdown.

This call did take momentum away from the defense in the Bama game....

And how about the ref in the first quarter trying to call a completed pass for the Bama receiver when it was OBVIOUS it was incomplete. The back judge had to run up and overturn it......It wasn't even close
 
#61
#61
the running back didn't have control of the ball when he hit the ground. I think it should of been a fumble.
 
#62
#62
Is there a video of it up somewhere? If I remember it correctly, was Berry's knee on the ground when he picked up the ball?
 
#63
#63
yes the ball was coming out as he was falling i have the game DVRed. the three bad calls were enough to transfermomentum as well as 14 points to the score board . they have played like a #2 team in the nation until sat night. with out those calls alot closer
maybe even a win for us
 
#64
#64
chavisut said:
Wasn't enough to turn over. Had it been called a fumble originally, it would have probably stuck though. Not enough evidence either way IMO
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Exactly. It could have been called either way. My problem is that the refs could not have had a very clear view. They chose to call it in UA's favor and eliminated the possibility of UT getting the ball. I know that we make a lot of mistakes but I can't get over the fact that when in doubt the refs will rule against us.
 
#66
#66
gainesvol82 said:
Exactly. It could have been called either way. My problem is that the refs could not have had a very clear view. They chose to call it in UA's favor and eliminated the possibility of UT getting the ball. I know that we make a lot of mistakes but I can't get over the fact that when in doubt the refs will rule against us.
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I agree 100%

I thought it was a fumble when I first saw it, but after a few more looks I agree, no conclusive evidence to overturn a call from the field, either way.
 
#67
#67
kev20 said:
Is there a video of it up somewhere? If I remember it correctly, was Berry's knee on the ground when he picked up the ball?
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His knee was down before he saw the ball. He was standing up when he picked it up. Actually, he scooped it up and took off.
 
#68
#68
It was a BS call and everyone in the stadium knew it. Even the Bama fans. Just to add insult to injury, a missed holding call set up the TD on the same drive.
 
#70
#70
k-townvol said:
It was a BS call and everyone in the stadium knew it. Even the Bama fans. Just to add insult to injury, a missed holding call set up the TD on the same drive.
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no, it wasn't a BS call.

it was just one of those calls that could have gone either way. regardless, that is NOT the reason we lost the game.
 
#71
#71
chavisut said:
Wasn't enough to turn over. Had it been called a fumble originally, it would have probably stuck though. Not enough evidence either way IMO
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That's exactly what i told the people I was watching the game with. If it would have been ruled a fumble then it probably would have stuck and gave us the touchdown, but since he was ruled down, there wasn't enough clear evidence to overturn it either way.
 
#74
#74
k-townvol said:
It was a BS call and everyone in the stadium knew it. Even the Bama fans. Just to add insult to injury, a missed holding call set up the TD on the same drive.
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I'm glad someone else saw that hold. I work with a Bammer and he acts like I must be dreaming because his team couldn't have done something like that. Of course, I actually saw Smith hold a couple of times and it wasn't called.
 
#75
#75
Wetsprocket625 said:
I agree 100%

I thought it was a fumble when I first saw it, but after a few more looks I agree, no conclusive evidence to overturn a call from the field, either way.
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That is true, but I'm about 90% sure one of the other refs originally called it a fumble. The head ref (who screwed us many times on Saturday) was the one who made the official call that he was down. If the original call from the other ref had stood then the inconclusive evidence would've given us the fumble and TD.
 
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