Bernie Sanders Thread

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volfanjustin said:
Dem hopeful Sanders once penned essay on women
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This is nothing more than a poorly-written written critique of gender roles from a feminist perspective. I'd like to note that I am a feminist, I just don't particularly like his writing style. If this is all they've been able to dig up, I'm quite sure that Bernie will have few problems with his reputation. Fox news is being as disingenuous as usual. Of course, you can't really expect the media to address real issues.
 
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iVol4Life said:
This is nothing more than a poorly-written written critique of gender roles from a feminist perspective. I'd like to note that I am a feminist, I just don't particularly like his writing style. If this is all they've been able to dig up, I'm quite sure that Bernie will have few problems with his reputation. Fox news is being as disingenuous as usual. Of course, you can't really expect the media to address real issues.
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Can wait for Bernie to say that his own words misquoted him
 
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Biopsyman said:
Can wait for Bernie to say that his own words misquoted him
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He's already addressed this. It will not be big news. I'd imagine that the conservative circlejerk that is Volnation wouldn't know that though, as they prefer to be spoonfed by Fox rather than doing their own research and getting news from a variety of sources. Further, there are very few problems with what he wrote, beyond that he implied that men and women have certain fantasies. That is obviously untrue, but in reality he was just trying to illustrate a point, that point being that we ought to liberate people from harmful gender norms. His method was crude, but the message is quite clear and is something that only a misogynist would disagree with.
 
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iVol4Life said:
He's already addressed this. It will not be big news. I'd imagine that the conservative circlejerk that is Volnation wouldn't know that though, as they prefer to be spoonfed by Fox rather than doing their own research and getting news from a variety of sources. Further, there are very few problems with what he wrote, beyond that he implied that men and women have certain fantasies. That is obviously untrue, but in reality he was just trying to illustrate a point, that point being that we ought to liberate people from harmful gender norms. His method was crude, but the message is quite clear and is something that only a misogynist would disagree with.
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So you feel that same way if Bob Dole wrote the article?
 
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Biopsyman said:
So you feel that same way if Bob Dole wrote the article?
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I don't particularly care who wrote the article, so yes. Bob Dole probably wouldn't write something like that though.

Edit: I don't make judgements based on who is doing a particular thing. My judgements come from looking at the substance of what they are doing. Hence why I support some of the recent actions of Rand Paul despite disagreeing with him on a number of other issues.
 
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iVol4Life said:
I don't particularly care who wrote the article, so yes. Bob Dole probably wouldn't write something like that though.

Edit: I don't make judgements based on who is doing a particular thing. My judgements come from looking at the substance of what they are doing. Hence why I support some of the recent actions of Rand Paul despite disagreeing with him on a number of other issues.
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I think Bernie potential polices are much more dangerous that his writings... It will be hard for him to gain traction moving forward as Hillary will crush him if needed and his writings are just the substance that she would need.. Most people out of the NE would give him zero chance including the south
 
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iVol4Life said:
I don't particularly care who wrote the article, so yes. Bob Dole probably wouldn't write something like that though.

Edit: I don't make judgements based on who is doing a particular thing. My judgements come from looking at the substance of what they are doing. Hence why I support some of the recent actions of Rand Paul despite disagreeing with him on a number of other issues.
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Just curious.. What does his say that appeals to you?
 
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Biopsyman said:
I think Bernie potential polices are much more dangerous that his writings... It will be hard for him to gain traction moving forward as Hillary will crush him if needed and his writings are just the substance that she would need.. Most people out of the NE would give him zero chance including the south
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I disagree vehemently about his policies. Frankly I find him to be the best there. I also think Hillary will keep relatively quiet and try to minimize the debate between her and Sanders by focusing on the places where they agree. She tends to lose support every time she opens her mouth, and as she already has such a huge lead, she's better off neutralizing Bernie. In terms of support, Bernie's done quite well for himself the last month or so. He'll likely do well in Vermont and surrounding states.
 
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Biopsyman said:
Just curious.. What does his say that appeals to you?
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As far as I know, we agree on every social issue. We also agree on increasing the minimum wage, free university education, taxing the hell out of the rich, climate change, breaking up the banks, opposition to recent trade agreements, going further with healthcare than Obamacare, etc.
 
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iVol4Life said:
As far as I know, we agree on every social issue. We also agree on increasing the minimum wage, free university education, taxing the hell out of the rich, climate change, breaking up the banks, opposition to recent trade agreements, going further with healthcare than Obamacare, etc.
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1. Who are the rich? Defination please.
2. Why should anyone pay for someone else higher education?
3. Who or what is going to pay all of these expanded entitlements?

How much do you pay in yearly tax and how much additional tax are you willing to pay for these prorgrams?
 
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Biopsyman said:
I think Bernie potential polices are much more dangerous that his writings... It will be hard for him to gain traction moving forward as Hillary will crush him if needed and his writings are just the substance that she would need.. Most people out of the NE would give him zero chance including the south
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He's gaining traction in the Midwest. He's had the biggest campaign event in Iowa of any candidate so far. He drew 5000+ to his event in Minneapolis today.
 
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Biopsyman said:
1. Who are the rich? Defination please.
2. Why should anyone pay for someone else higher education?
3. Who or what is going to pay all of these expanded entitlements?

How much do you pay in yearly tax and how much additional tax are you willing to pay for these prorgrams?
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1. I'm mostly referring to the capitalist class.
2. Because a well-educated workforce is paramount for continued economic success.
3. Ultimately, we are.

I am currently not working as I'm a student studying Computer Science & Mathematics (although I have been applying for summer work), but frankly I'd give up almost all of my income if my general well-being were secured. I have not, do not, and will not work strictly for profit.
 
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iVol4Life said:
1. I'm mostly referring to the capitalist class.
2. Because a well-educated workforce is paramount for continued economic success.
3. Ultimately, we are.

I am currently not working as I'm a student studying Computer Science & Mathematics (although I have been applying for summer work), but frankly I'd give up almost all of my income if my general well-being were secured. I have not, do not, and will not work strictly for profit.
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This explains a lot.. When you do not work, you have no concept of money and taxes.. It very easy to say hell yeah take from the producers and give to those who do producer anything.. This is classic Liberlism.. As you get older and start making money.. You will change your tune when taxes hit and you net it very different that your gross.

Liberlism finally collapses when you run out of others peoples money to spend....
 
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Biopsyman said:
This explains a lot.. When you do not work, you have no concept of money and taxes.. It very easy to say hell yeah take from the producers and give to those who do producer anything.. This is classic Liberlism.. As you get older and start making money.. You will change your tune when taxes hit and you net it very different that your gross.

Liberlism finally collapses when you run out of others peoples money to spend....
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Even if I change my tune on taxes and other economic issues, I won't change my tune on social issues and will never support the GOP.
 
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iVol4Life said:
Even if I change my tune on taxes and other economic issues, I won't change my tune on social issues and will never support the GOP.
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IThe GOP's are crooks too.. They are willing to take less of your money than Democrats who ultimately want it all.. Your boy Bernie want 90% of your money that you earned of every dolliar over 450k.. What happens when more money is needed and that number co to jes to dive lowe and lower.. No thanks
 
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iVol4Life said:
I am applying for work while I'm out of class. I believe people who are capable ought to work hard (and I work hard in everything I pursue), just not strictly for profit.
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Companies that don't seek profit are called former companies
 
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Biopsyman said:
Companies that don't seem profit are called former companies
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I'm referring mostly to workers. People shouldn't work just for the sake of making money. The incentive should lie elsewhere. For example, an engineer should be an engineer because he's good at it and enjoys doing it. A teacher should be a teacher because she's good at it and enjoys doing it. Yes, being able to secure a healthy life for your family is important, but there's much more to life than money.
 
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iVol4Life said:
I'm referring mostly to workers. People shouldn't work just for the sake of making money. The incentive should lie elsewhere. For example, an engineer should be an engineer because he's good at it and enjoys doing it. A teacher should be a teacher because she's good at it and enjoys doing it. Yes, being able to secure a healthy life for your family is important, but there's much more to life than money.
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Money is an enabler.. I believe you should do whatever you want to do with it.. It is yours and not anyone else's. The number one reason people change jobs is tfor the money...
 
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iVol4Life said:
I'm referring mostly to workers. People shouldn't work just for the sake of making money. The incentive should lie elsewhere. For example, an engineer should be an engineer because he's good at it and enjoys doing it. A teacher should be a teacher because she's good at it and enjoys doing it. Yes, being able to secure a healthy life for your family is important, but there's much more to life than money.
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Profits allows for expansion and hiring of more peoples faces a company. And the purchase of equipment which grows the economy etc.
 
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iVol4Life said:
I'm referring mostly to workers. People shouldn't work just for the sake of making money. The incentive should lie elsewhere. For example, an engineer should be an engineer because he's good at it and enjoys doing it. A teacher should be a teacher because she's good at it and enjoys doing it. Yes, being able to secure a healthy life for your family is important, but there's much more to life than money.
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Bs. Whose going to be a garbage man in this fantasy land? Who is going to pave roads in this fantasy land? Nobody does these jobs because they have a passion for it.
 
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volfanhill said:
Bs. Whose going to be a garbage man in this fantasy land? Who is going to pave roads in this fantasy land? Nobody does these jobs because they have a passion for it.
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He is being taught the liberal utopia.. Do meaningful work at a nonprofit and believe the fgovermenr is the source of your every need. And hate capitalism or the capitalist class which is the model that that made this country great.
 
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