Bennett or Zook

#51
#51
Zook or Spangler would both cause discontent. Florida's leftovers or more LA Tech? Might as well promote Thompson, if Dooley can't bring in a name. Thompson has paid his dues and seems popular with the players-- the only thing is, this program needs new blood and the hope that new coaches will bring positive change. There's no excitement or hope surrounding Thompson.
 
#55
#55
Is there something I'm missing with Zook? I read his resume and see a lousy head coaching record.
 
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Orange&White said:
Is there something I'm missing with Zook? I read his resume and see a lousy head coaching record.
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That is why we are not looking to hire him as a head coach. He was a good defensive coordinator in both college and the NFL though.
 
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UTCVol said:
It's a sad day when Ron Zook's resume isn't enough to be qualified for the Tennessee DC position. Give me a break.
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I agree...there is no reason why Zook can't be a great DC for Tennessee. His resume is quite impressive to be honest...
 
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Orange&White said:
Is there something I'm missing with Zook? I read his resume and see a lousy head coaching record.
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"... on the recruiting front at Florida. In just three years, Zook signed 10 Parade All-Americans after Florida had inked 20 in the previous 12 years. He signed six in the 2003 class, just one shy of the school record set by the 1987 class. The 2003 class ranked among the top three nationally.

He came to the Gators from a position as defensive coordinator for the New Orleans Saints, where his units led the NFL in quarterback sacks over the 2000-2001 period with 119, and ranked third in the NFC in total defense in 2000. He coached for three NFL franchises (Pittsburgh, Kansas City and New Orleans), including division championship teams with the Steelers in l996-97 and the Saints in 2000.

On the collegiate level, Zook coached on five SEC championship teams (four at Florida and one at Tennessee) ..."
 
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vol2013 said:
That is why we are not looking to hire him as a head coach. He was a good defensive coordinator in both college and the NFL though.
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I understand that but I look for defenses under him and I only find a few years of him being a DC. 81'-82' Cincy 83' Kansas 91'-93' Florida and 00'-01 NO Saints. And there is nothing listed about him being too great. Ya'll need to look up info on Bennett.
 
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UTCVol said:
It's a sad day when Ron Zook's resume isn't enough to be qualified for the Tennessee DC position. Give me a break.
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Spurrier demoted him, with good reason.

Take a careful look at that man's defenses. He may have a long resume. But it is not a quality resume.
 
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Orange&White said:
I understand that but I look for his defense's under him and I only find a few years of him being a DC. 81'-82' Cincy 83' Kansas 91'-93' Florida and 00'-01 NO Saints. And there is nothing listed about him being too great. Ya'll need to look up info on Bennett.
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I've looked up Bennett and would be very happy with him. But Zook would be a good candidate. what he did in NO was amazing. Saints hadn't won a playoff game in their history until 2000, and his defense was the main reason for that. Plus, he's a great recruiter, and Bennett's recruiting history is spotty at best (although his "right-hand man" who he'd likely bring with him is a good one).
 
#64
#64
I believe we'll get Shannon, but not really bc any "insiders" say we are. Just bc this is the first BIG hire Hart is making and I think he is going to get who he wants!

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I just feel like Florida and the state probably had something to do with his recruiting success too, and yeah he had a good year in New Orleans but would you rather have a guy that consistently showed progression or just a good year here and there. To be honest though, I would be happy with anyone who has had success and Zook has.

PS: I still hate Tebow.
 
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Smokeytom said:
I believe we'll get Shannon, but not really bc any "insiders" say we are. Just bc this is the first BIG hire Hart is making and I think he is going to get who he wants!

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I hope you are right. If Zook is the answer, then someone up there is asking the wrong question.

What is next? Jack Sells coaching linebackers?
 
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Orange&White said:
I understand that but I look for defenses under him and I only find a few years of him being a DC. 81'-82' Cincy 83' Kansas 91'-93' Florida and 00'-01 NO Saints. And there is nothing listed about him being too great. Ya'll need to look up info on Bennett.
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I know plenty about Bennett, they would both be very good options for us. He has been very successful at every defensive coordinator stop that he has been made. The one that I remember of the top of my head is with the saints where they went from 28th in the nfl in points allowed the year before he got there to 10th in the league when he got there with pretty much the same group of players. He is also the more successful recruiter of the two, as he was able to pull multiple five star recruits to illinois of all places. Like I said either would be a good hire.
 
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Orange&White said:
I just feel like Florida and the state probably had something to do with his recruiting success too, and yeah he had a good year in New Orleans but would you rather have a guy that consistently showed progression or just a good year here and there. To be honest though, I would be happy with anyone who has had success and Zook has.

PS: I still hate Tebow.
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That does not explain his recruiting success at Illinois though.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
Spurrier demoted him, with good reason.

Take a careful look at that man's defenses. He may have a long resume. But it is not a quality resume.
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This is how I see it as well.

His recruiting is suspect to me as well. He recruited all the kids to UF after CSS built the program to the top of the popularity charts. Illinois 18-38 conference record tells a story.
 
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rpeagram said:
. Illinois 18-38 conference record tells a story.
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That tells a story about his head coaching ability, not his defensive coordinator or recruiting ability. At illinois there were a signifigant amount of more players drafted in the nfl from his classes then from previous regimes.
 
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rpeagram said:
This is how I see it as well.

His recruiting is suspect to me as well. He recruited all the kids to UF after CSS built the program to the top of the popularity charts. Illinois 18-38 conference record tells a story.
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Spurrier recruited 10 all americans to UF in his tenure (which was 12 years, if I'm not mistaken). Zook landed 20 in three.
 
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rpeagram said:
This is how I see it as well.

His recruiting is suspect to me as well. He recruited all the kids to UF after CSS built the program to the top of the popularity charts. Illinois 18-38 conference record tells a story.
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I was in the stands with my Gator wife watching Zook's charges play Mississippi State in 2004, the same State team that had been shut out earlier by Maine 7-0.

Zook is hyped up as some defensive and special teams genius. But somehow that Gator team gave up 38 points to the Bulldogs that day. I've only seen Goaters laughing about a loss one time, and they were in party mode during that game because they knew Zook was toast. He was fired within a week.

Zook is like a poor man's Joe Lee Dunn: he'll keep doing the same thing over and over and over again whether it works or not.
 
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#74
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Phil Bennett? Are you kidding me? This guy hasn't been anywhere longer than three years since 1987. The list of his stops is a mile long.

Doesn't seem like the long term guy you'd want. A lot of stops is usually a big red flag.
 
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