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BeardedVol said:
So far you're actually the only poster I've seen suggest that course of action.
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Plenty have said Helton and Pruitt are trash though. Typical VN nonsense. Its about what I predicted, there are going to be fans that will not even give Pruitt a mulligan year. I am willing to bet that if we were to finish 5-7, there would be people saying fire him. Seeing the reactions to this game are yet another perfect example of why we have the most irrational fanbase in the country.
 
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codyg10 said:
All offensive players going up against an anemic defense. The lack of physicality combined with missed assignments and stupid penalties is a major problem. Especially for a coach that was supposed to bring a level of toughness and discipline to the program, and it didn't take talent to accomplish those things as a player. Pruitt had 9 months to create a gameplan and instill discipline into the team and get them to play more physical and neither showed that game. Imagine how bad they would've beaten us if Grier doesn't throw those 2 horrible balls. Better yet, imagine how bad it would've been had WV just had film on our D. I was pretty sold on Pruitt when we hired him, but nothing I saw today shows that he's the guy to get the job done. Buckle up though because Florida will be even worse. Their offense will be solid at the very least as well as much more physical and athletic and their defense is far better than WV's. I really hope I'm wrong but I don't see him lasting more than 2 years. You're looking at 6-6 at best this year and we will probably lose a few key recruits also. Which means you're most likely looking at the same thing next year and 2 6-6 seasons isn't necessarily improvement after being 2-3 years removed from 9 win seasons
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I'm not discounting alot of what you are saying. But 2 years? I do not see that in the cards at all. Poor tackling, no push off the line, not able to get off blocks, low endurance. I want to see all our players be more like T Jordan and J Jennings. Now that's power T tough, so your first game is over now get it together! This is the SEC. What really makes me curious is why are we playing so many Freshman at DB?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Plenty have said Helton and Pruitt are trash though. Typical VN nonsense. Its about what I predicted, there are going to be fans that will not even give Pruitt a mulligan year. I am willing to bet that if we were to finish 5-7, there would be people saying fire him. Seeing the reactions to this game are yet another perfect example of why we have the most irrational fanbase in the country.
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We are irrational because we are a conduit to what has happened the last 10 plus years. So never blame the fans. Any other fan base would have written them off and gave up 7 years ago. Fans aren't the problem here.
 
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BeardedVol said:
To the per-game averages of the 2017 season. Do you have a different preferred method for measuring progress?
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Your method of measuring progress is statistically flawed from lack of data in the pool. One game (first game) is not an accurate measurement of entire season. Averages from a whole season compared to one game is not going to give you a good prediction.
 
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KingGenius said:
Your method of measuring progress is statistically flawed from lack of data in the pool. One game (first game) is not an accurate measurement of entire season. Averages from a whole season compared to one game is not going to give you a good prediction.
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How so? The 2017 the UT defense averaged giving up 491 YPG. That takes into account our best and worst performances. If you are asked, in the WVU game did UT show defensive improvement over the 2017 team, and you look at the stats, we gave up 537 yards on defense. So no, given that we averaged giving up 491, you can't say that UT came out and showed an improvement over the 2017 team.

How is that flawed?
 
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#57
TNV said:
That 4th and goal showed Pruitt isn't scared to hang em out. We had the momentum going into half. I never saw a drop of rain. **** the NCAA! Go vols
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That call was fine, however the 3rd and 4 play call before the half was terrible. We were down 10-7 and had the ball across midfield. Then we had to punt and WV got a FG before half. I don't agree we had the momentum going into half because we lost it on that 3rd down call.
 
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If there is lightning in the area within so many miles of the stadium they take precautions. I feel it did hurt us waiting so long because we had momentum at the half. But WV is the real deal I think at seasons end where they are ranked will prove to the negavols how good they really were,
 
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The weather delay was the same for both teams.

Didnt affect a thing in the slightest.

Unless, we are really just that fragile, which may be worth considering now that I think about it.
 
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BeardedVol said:
How so? The 2017 the UT defense averaged giving up 491 YPG. That takes into account our best and worst performances. If you are asked, in the WVU game did UT show defensive improvement over the 2017 team, and you look at the stats, we gave up 537 yards on defense. So no, given that we averaged giving up 491, you can't say that UT came out and showed an improvement over the 2017 team.

How is that flawed?
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In statistics, you need to have a large pool of data. There are outliers that don't conform to the average. This game could be an outlier and you are basing a whole season on our first game. WV could be easily be a top ten team. Your prediction on 2018 compared to 2017 based off of one game (first for players and coaches) is not accurate. Our players will absolutely get better. Do you remember the App State game with Butch? It is flawed cause we don't have our starting players confirmed, we aren't in football shape, we aren't used to tackling, and it is a long season. Do I think we played like garbage? Yes I do! But comparing to last year aint right man. Could you be right? It's possible but the consequences to you being right are very bad. We will see how we play against FL.
 
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TNV said:
That 4th and goal showed Pruitt isn't scared to hang em out. We had the momentum going into half. I never saw a drop of rain. **** the NCAA! Go vols
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Yes, the way our defense plays he should consider always going for it on 4th down. Never give them the ball.make them take it!
 
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KingGenius said:
I'm not discounting alot of what you are saying. But 2 years? I do not see that in the cards at all. Poor tackling, no push off the line, not able to get off blocks, low endurance. I want to see all our players be more like T Jordan and J Jennings. Now that's power T tough, so your first game is over now get it together! This is the SEC. What really makes me curious is why are we playing so many Freshman at DB?
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Because the ones behind them are even worse than they are, and I say 2 years instead of 3 because I honestly don't see us having a winning record this year or the next and to me two 5-7 or 6-6 seasons in a row isn't really an improvement from 4-8 when the years prior to that were 9 win seasons. Plus if we don't have a winning season over the next 2 years or win any big time games no one is going to want to play at Tennessee anyway, and I think getting rid of someone a year early is better than a year late. If we had done that with Fulmer we wouldn't be in the position we're in right now in my opinion. Had they canned him after the 05 season when we had a stacked roster and Florida wasn't coming off 2 titles in 3 years instead of 08 when the cupboard was nearly bare there would have been a lot more people that wanted the job
 
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#64
I believe we are cheering for Sisyphus. We'll never see that damn rock get to the top of the hill and it's maddening.
 
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#65
TNV said:
That 4th and goal showed Pruitt isn't scared to hang em out. We had the momentum going into half. I never saw a drop of rain. **** the NCAA! Go vols
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If you hang em out too far, you can lose em and if ya lose em, ya can't do it any mo
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I know, but I thought they were better than what they showed today.
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CP, they just caught a team they matched up really bad with for their first outing. Let's see how things look after the gator's game before judging too harshly.
 
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#67
As for recruiting, I'd rather have Pruitt's philosophy that we want to be a big physical tough football team that everyone's afraid to play ..... even if we only have 2 and 3 star guys all over the field ... and coach them to play ... than the previous administration's going for the star #'s with shoddy coaching
Edit: Of course, with big physical 4's and 5's and good coaching, then we'll see Big Orange football again
 
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#68
12 Offensive Plays were for a loss... That I think ties us for worst in the country for week 1..... Last year when we are stinking it up and being one the worst 8 in the country I think we only averaged 8..........
 
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#69
BeardedVol said:
So as long as Pruitt is willing to go for it on 4th and goal, we can all disregard the regression of the offensive line, and the entire defense? Cool.
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Bearded many of your posts are reasonable but your statement is the essence of dumb (your statement not you). This UT team gave up over 600 yards to Georgia Tech last year, over 40 to Vandy and over 50 to Missouri, yet we are to believe it has regressed after playing a top 20 team that will probably be top 15 this week and a Heisman candidate. Rich.
 
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Also, I don't think JG's strength is throwing the deep ball. Whether that is because he doesn't have enough time or good enough touch and that maybe be why he wasn't asked to attempt it more. The one time he threw it deep he was off 10 yards.
 
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#71
codyg10 said:
All offensive players going up against an anemic defense. The lack of physicality combined with missed assignments and stupid penalties is a major problem. Especially for a coach that was supposed to bring a level of toughness and discipline to the program, and it didn't take talent to accomplish those things as a player. Pruitt had 9 months to create a gameplan and instill discipline into the team and get them to play more physical and neither showed that game. Imagine how bad they would've beaten us if Grier doesn't throw those 2 horrible balls. Better yet, imagine how bad it would've been had WV just had film on our D. I was pretty sold on Pruitt when we hired him, but nothing I saw today shows that he's the guy to get the job done. Buckle up though because Florida will be even worse. Their offense will be solid at the very least as well as much more physical and athletic and their defense is far better than WV's. I really hope I'm wrong but I don't see him lasting more than 2 years. You're looking at 6-6 at best this year and we will probably lose a few key recruits also. Which means you're most likely looking at the same thing next year and 2 6-6 seasons isn't necessarily improvement after being 2-3 years removed from 9 win seasons[/QUOTE)

It's a good bet WVU is stronger this year than Florida. I'm not happy either and I complained quite a bit yesterday but to come out that he is only going to be around 2 years after losing one game to a top 20 opponent is ridiculous. You need to change your username to reflect your pessimism so we can avoid your posts. Try Miserable Vol our something like that.
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#72
#72
BeardedVol said:
So as long as Pruitt is willing to go for it on 4th and goal, we can all disregard the regression of the offensive line, and the entire defense? Cool.
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What “regression” is this you speak of?

Did you see last year?
Heck it want like suddenly Tennessee landed 10, 5 stars over the off season.

Tennessee was and is bad this will take time.....after what we saw last year, and knowing what Tennessee has (now) what in the heck did people expect when playing a good team?
 
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JoAllan said:
What “regression” is this you speak of?

Did you see last year?
Heck it want like suddenly Tennessee landed 10, 5 stars over the off season.

Tennessee was and is bad this will take time.....after what we saw last year, and knowing what Tennessee has (now) what in the heck did people expect when playing a good team?
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On a different note it’s prob “progression” we should be looking for.

Did we see any progression? Prob not much if any; however Tennessee was a BAD team. Not just a team of circumstance, or a down team. Heck they couldn’t even beat down or bad teams mid season and later.........they were real bad.

Therefore how much progression should we really expect to see first game vs a good team? Prob not much to zero.

If Tennessee starts to progress or even beat down to bad teams then we can start to get somewhat happy (I know that may suck, but it is what it is). Also if Tennessee does not progress vs down/bad teams then we should start to get up set and even worry.

But 1st game vs a good team is not the time.
 
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