Been Reading Saban's Biography...

#129
#129
bamawriter said:
O'Brien wasn't popped for weed, so the comparison is a poor one.

Also, you keep saying illegal weapons, when only one was illegal.
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You just need to give up. He will never recognize similar things happen at every school including Tennessee.
 
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#131
The real difference in Saban coming back to the sec and Butch coming to TN is, Alabama actually had some good players. Some forget that Butch had to completely start from scratch in recruiting, especially Oline.

I think Butch had something like 10 or 12 seniors his first and second years. Bama had good players and Saban only had to get a few players in his first and second recruiting classes to have a team that he could win with.

So please keep overlooking facts while some of you keep bashing UT's head coach.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
For all we know bama losing to Clemson is the beginning of the end for both.
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I wouldn't bet the house. This cycle of recruiting, Bama has 7- five stars, 14- four stars committed or enrolled. With a few big targets left it's very unlikely that you will see anything less than a lot more of the same.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
I wouldn't bet the house. This cycle of recruiting, Bama has 7- five stars, 14- four stars committed or enrolled. With a few big targets left it's very unlikely that you will see anything less than a lot more of the same.
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Imagine that another bammer troll bringing their rent money to the discussion.
 
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#135
eh, i think this endless need for anyone/everyone in CFB to compare to Saban is a fruitless effort. what he's doing won't be replicated any time soon, and really, in today's day and age, no one should really be able to do it as consistently as he's been able to do it.

the reality is there's not a coach on the planet that doesn't TRY to do the same things Saban does. most all coaches, Saban and Jones included, believe in a lot of the same things, same philosophies, same practices.

the differences between the great ones and the rest is really a combination of a few things.

1. discipline. it's one thing to say "it's about the process" or "it's about the fine details", it's entirely another to have the discipline to keep going back until the expectation is met. this to me is the most underrated part of what separates guys like Saban and Bellicek from other coaches. people don't really realize what this means, and how truly difficult it is to do it. and this is the basis, and foundation, for the culture they're trying to create, and that we now see today.

2. support. there are few places in CFB that have support for the PURPOSE than places like Alabama. there's a ceiling for any program as to what kind of success your program can have, depending on what the definition of the purpose is. and everyone having clarity as to what that purpose is, and defining everyone's responsibility and role for that purpose. but you have to have support. if the coaches' purpose, is defined differently than those above him, and below him, than you don't get the results. clearly, at Alabama, everyone knows what the overall purpose is, what their role is in it, and they have the support from above to go achieve it. Saban may not have been able to do what he's done anywhere else except at Bama is my point.

3. players. this kind of goes w/ou saying, but when you have the 2 things above, and you're able to get the great players that Bama is able to get...and then get them to adhere to the discipline of the process, for a single purpose, then that's when you know you're there. and for the last 7-8 years you've seen that culture be the defining characteristic of that program. if you're not on board with the process, those players get weeded out. which is by design by the way. which is why i never have gotten too anxious when a 5* leaves Alabama to go elsewhere. it ensures that what's left are those that are aligned with the rest of the program, and all that entails. and over time, as we've seen, that becomes attractive to best talent, for both players and coaches.

4. results. there wasn't instant success for him at Bama, but once it got going, it's morphed in to what it is today. whether it be winning games, conf titles, national titles or sending beaucoup kids to the NFL, results speak for themselves, and gives everyone in the organization reason to believe in all the things he preaches. whereas at other programs it becomes rhetoric and cliche if the results don't match the "coach speak". saying one thing, but results show another.

5. adaptation. as successful as he, and that program have been the past decade, there's still that overall purpose driving everything that they do, which is why Alabama can adapt, and change, as needed to either keep up with the curve, or reset it. Saban is stubborn, but not to a fault. he's stubborn on the right things....purpose and process. he's not so stubborn that he won't change personnel, philosophy or who he brings in to the program from a coaching standpoint to continue to find ways to get better, even if it's a departure from his basic philosophy or personality.

bottom line, it's not a magic trick. but it takes an incredible leader, in the right situation to make all of this come together, even to reach just modest success, much less the type of success they've enjoyed, over a long time frame.
 
#136
#136
butchna said:
Let it all out..."release the beast". :lol:
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I was gonna go on a rant about how fans handle adversity in different ways but I got to thinking that some may take it too serious and have hard feelings about it all. That would lead to childish name calling and such resulting in more insults and rude behavior.

Wait, that's the result I'm looking for. Maybe next time.

Release the positive thoughts and an attitude of understanding!
 
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#137
Iam4utalways said:
I was gonna go on a rant about how fans handle adversity in different ways but I got to thinking that some may take it too serious and have hard feelings about it all. That would lead to childish name calling and such resulting in more insults and rude behavior.

Wait, that's the result I'm looking for. Maybe next time.

Release the positive thoughts and an attitude of understanding!
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You've written a lot of words that haven't explained why you got crossways with me in the first place. :)

Release The Sphincter!
 
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The big key to it all is recruiting. If Butch, or any other SEC coach for that matter, could recruit the class of players Saban recruits, their results would be similar to Saban. He walks onto the field with a big advantage every game.

And that is easier said than done.
 
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#141
butchna said:
Then don't crawl on somebody else's! :)

Release Your Juvenile Criminal History!
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I'm not gonna dignify that with a response.

I prefer to call it jumping on someone's back rather than crawling on their back.

To say "crawl" sounds creepy, but I will again withhold judgement.

Release the stop judging others for using crawl on their back rather than jump on their back!

For the record I'm not saying you are creepy just the expressions you use are creepy and the dog smoking a cigar is just wrong, but the gun is fine. But I won't judge.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
I'm not gonna dignify that with a response.

I prefer to call it jumping on someone's back rather than crawling on their back.

To say "crawl" sounds creepy, but I will again withhold judgement.

Release the stop judging others for using crawl on their back rather than jump on their back!

For the record I'm not saying you are creepy just the expressions you use are creepy and the dog smoking a cigar is just wrong, but the gun is fine. But I won't judge.
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But you do. And this isn't the first (or 15th) time you've jumped out of nowhere to comment on an exchange with another poster. Appreciate the personal reviews...disjointed and incoherent as they are. :hi: Hey, you want my undivided attention? Release the Kracken! :)
 
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butchna said:
But you do. And this isn't the first (or 15th) time you've jumped out of nowhere to comment on an exchange with another poster. Appreciate the personal reviews...disjointed and incoherent as they are. :hi: Hey, you want my undivided attention? Release the Kracken! :)
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I also said I would dignify it with a response too. You let that slide.

Where were we?

No offense, fill in the blank ________ with some random insult.

What do you have to say about that?

Release the smiley faces!
 
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Iam4utalways said:
I also said I would dignify it with a response too. You let that slide.

Where were we?

No offense, fill in the blank ________ with some random insult.

What do you have to say about that?

Release the smiley faces!
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I really don't have a quarrel with you. For some reason you felt the need to admonish me for stating that I don't need to "cope" with anything that happened on the football field. At least it seemed like admonishing with the smarmy "good for you" comment. If you ever figure out what set you off let the rest of us know...English preferably. :wink2: Release The Zapruder Tape. :loco:
 
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#145
I'm not interested in reading Saban's autobiography. Haven't been interested in short stories since high school.
 
#146
#146
butchna said:
I really don't have a quarrel with you. For some reason you felt the need to admonish me for stating that I don't need to "cope" with anything that happened on the football field. At least it seemed like admonishing with the smarmy "good for you" comment. If you ever figure out what set you off let the rest of us know...English preferably. :wink2: Release The Zapruder Tape. :loco:
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I was judging you for having a mature outlook on life. My comment was to belittle your mature outlook.

So my beef with you is your mature outlook on life.

For those of us that don't have such a mature outlook on life and you don't even hold it against us. That's just another character flaw that it appears you have.

Release the character flaws!

Honestly I have no issue with you either and once again I had a failed attempt at humor.

My apologies sir.

Release the humor!
 
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#147
Iam4utalways said:
I was judging you for having a mature outlook on life. My comment was to belittle your mature outlook.

So my beef with you is your mature outlook on life.

For those of us that don't have such a mature outlook on life and you don't even hold it against us. That's just another character flaw that it appears you have.

Release the character flaws!

Honestly I have no issue with you either and once again I had a failed attempt at humor.

My apologies sir.

Release the humor!
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Ok. Got it.
 
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