Been Reading Saban's Biography...

#51
#51
The biggest difference is that Saban has built a culture of expecting to win at Bama, and Butch hasn't shown any signs of doing that. In fact, Bama's mentality when they came to Knoxville was "put em away early". Team 120's mentality was "hope we keep it close for a half". That's the difference.

I can see that Fade. Sadly, Team 119 went into Bama and almost pulled off the win. Something needs to change in the attitude and the toughness of this team.

Saban often pointed to the Nebraska teams of the 1990's to talk about complete and total dominance of an opponent, and that's what he strives for. Might do our team well to go back and watch those games, or heck, maybe our own games in the 1990's.

Own your opponent on every play and the Win will take care of itself.
 
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#52
Oh and by the way, one BIG thing I noticed?

When LSU got sick of losing, they said "how much will it take?" And they paid it.

When Alabama got sick of losing, they said "how much will it take?" And they paid it.

Our AD sucks. You get what you pay for. LSU made Saban the highest paid coach at the time.

You said all of the other to say this, and it is true: you get what you pay for. First, we need a smart athletic director. Then we need to fork over the money (Saban gets $7 mill, Harbaugh gets $9 mill) to get someone who, like Saban at LSU before bama, already has a national championship to his credit. For the right amount of $$$, we, like bama and Michigan, can get an NFL coach. But Jones buyout contract is so ridiculously high, we won't (or can't) pay it and pay enough to hire a replacement of the Saban/Harbaugh caliber. And we just finished paying off Dooley's $5 mill. Bad contracts for mediocre coaches have cost us dearly.
 
#53
#53
I have noticed this about Saban's players though. He works them so damn hard in college that they are burned out once they reach the NFL. Not many Bama players are excellent players in the NFL. I am sure we can all name a few but most of them are just above average NF Lplayers.

At this point, I am just happy that bUTch has been able to get us back to respectability.
We qualify for bowl games each season and we win the bowl game each season.

Recruiting, as a whole, is better than when Dooley was here and the last few seasons of Fulmer.
We are usually in the top # 25 every week.

I may be wrong but I think that bUTch loves U.T. Of course, it could be "Love the one you are with" with him.
 
#54
#54
Not now he isn't or is not any other coach you so desperately want to go looking for... that takes years and years to get to that level so there is no easy button that many of volnation and fans of countless teams across the nation wants.

Not now? Never will he be. Can you not comprehend this?

He will never with the east, much less the conference.
 
#55
#55
Here's the facts:

1. Saban had NFL experience before coaching at LSU because he coached for the Cleveland Browns with Bill Belichick. Butch has never had NFL experience except for an internship with Tampa Bay in the 80's.

2. Saban had coached at Michigan State with a record of 34-24-1 (58.6%) and never won a bowl game, NOR did he ever finish higher than 5th in the conference except for his last year, in which he bolted. He went 9-2 at Toledo, but did not inherit a mess there, he inherited a team whose coach retired and was already preseason favorites to win the conference.

Butch in his 3 years at Central Michigan went 27-13 (67.5%) and never finished less than 2nd in the conference, also losing both of his bowl games. At Cincinnati, he went 62.1% (23-14), finishing 7th in conference his first year, and then winning it the next two, going 1-0 in bowl games he coached in. So, overall, before Butch was hired to the SEC, he was 65% as a head coach, compared to Saban's 61%.

When Saban was hired at LSU, a lot of people were upset because he wasn't exactly a "proven" coach.

And you think that Saban didn't have his losses of Vandy caliber or get upsetted?

In his first (and only) year at Toledo, his team got beat by a Navy team that went 5-6.

In his first year at Michigan State, he got drilled 45-14 by a Wisconsin team that only won 4 games that year.

In his second year, he lost to a Louisville team that finished 5-6.

In 1997, his team started 5-0, only to lose 4 straight (VolNation would have exploded, wouldn't they?) That skid included a loss to 5-7 Northwestern,

In 1998, he took a step back to 6-6 from the previous year's 7-6, losing to a 5-6 Minnesota team.

In his first year at LSU, he lost to UAB and 6-6 Arkansas.

So, Saban has had his embarrassing losses as well.

3. Saban has been placed in more advantageous situations than Butch. This is indeed fact. Saban demanded that in order to be LSU's and Alabama's coach, he would have complete control. He demanded that LSU build a football operations building next to the practice field, and that a academic building be built for athletes. LSU not only offered him a $1.25M contract out of Michigan State, but they agreed to build (and did build) both of these. Not only that, but in the state of Louisiana, Saban had a wealth of high school football talent and very little competition for such.

Butch walks into Tennessee, which is no slouch in the facilities department, but after his most pivotal year, is sitting with a lame duck AD, and no movement towards a replacement at a time when he is trying to lure assistants.
Not only that, but Butch of course has to recruit nationally, as Tennessee talent (while improving) is not a hotbed of high school football. Most of LSU's early recruiting classes in Saban's tenure were composed of Louisiana guys. In 2000, 21 players were from LA, 2001 had 14 LA guys including TE turned DL Marcus Spears. 2002 he had 18 Louisiana guys, 2003 he had 15 LA guys, including LaRon Landry, and in 2004 he had 16 LA guys, including Glenn Dorsey, Early Doucet, Jacob Dorsey. Tennessee simply does not compare to the talent resources that Louisiana has.


In no way am I saying that Butch will be Saban. But looking more into Saban's career made me pump the brakes on the "fire Butch" train and just gave me hope that he's doing things the right way and will get there. The facts just support that it's not as bad as it seems, but it is a process truly. Saban did not become who he is overnight. A lot of stumbles and bad situations and losses along the way. But he worked his butt off and stayed true to his process, hired good assistants who worked as hard as he did, and had total support from his universities, and he has won ballgames.

Sorry man but I quit reading when you declared Butch never had NFL exoerience and then cite his NFL experience as an intern.
 
#56
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OP, I hope you checked the book out from the library. I'd hate to think a true Vol would purchase something that put money into an Alabamian's pocket.
 
#57
#57
I have noticed this about Saban's players though. He works them so damn hard in college that they are burned out once they reach the NFL. Not many Bama players are excellent players in the NFL. I am sure we can all name a few but most of them are just above average NF Lplayers.

6 former Bama players were selected to the Pro Bowl with a 7th as a reserve. That's the most of any school.
 
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Not now he isn't or is not any other coach you so desperately want to go looking for... that takes years and years to get to that level so there is no easy button that many of volnation and fans of countless teams across the nation wants.
Butch could have proved it the past 2 yrs. But he made decisions that costed him some games.....and had poor coaching/developing from a few coaches
 
#60
#60
Sorry man but I quit reading when you declared Butch never had NFL exoerience and then cite his NFL experience as an intern.

He was the freaking ball boy. I'd hardly count that as experience. No recruit swoons at playing for a former NFL ballboy.
 
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Funniest post of the year right there!!

Better to be quiet and have people think that you're stupid rather than speak and remove all doubt. Shhh
 
#66
#66
You make some good points and I appreciate the effort that went into this. I think Butch is on the right track. I think that without the unusually high number of injuries, Team 120 wins 11 games and most of the naysayers here are a lot happier. I don't see a whole lot of available coaches for hire that I feel confident would do a better job than Butch is doing. So I'm optimistic about next season and beyond.

This^ Coach Herman was the only one that I would've said ya, get rid of CBJ & go after him. That didn't happen & I'm SICK & TIRED of new coaching hires & them blowing up in our face. I believe CBJ is here for the long haul & will learn & do better as the process continues. He's still relatively young & the only thing I see him not wavering on is his Offense. I've seen him learn on the job and even cut ties with friends for the better of the program. So, I'm willing to give him more time, because I can see the improvements he's making, with my own eyes.
 
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6 former Bama players were selected to the Pro Bowl with a 7th as a reserve. That's the most of any school.

If we are going to talk numbers, here is my favorite. Three Bama starters were arrested on drug and weapons charges this year and didn't miss any playing time.
 
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#72
#72
By the time spring practice has concluded, butch should be fully back to Supreme Leader status in the land of orange. But unfortunately, that's not the part that's been giving him problems.
 
#74
#74
If we are going to talk numbers, here is my favorite. Three Bama starters were arrested on drug and weapons charges this year and didn't miss any playing time.

You're wasting your time. Those guys were set up up by LSU boosters. They are innocent. No need to keep dragging them thru the mud.

Bama can't even win the NC every year. Saban is slipping and the bammers are getting restless.
 
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