Bear's prediction come to pass?

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hndog609

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Many years ago Paul Bryant was quoted as saying "If Florida ever gets the right coach the rest of us will be playing for second place."

Some people might have said this had already happened with Spurrier but for all his savvy at X's and O's nobody ever called him a strong recruiter. It is my great fear that FL has not only found a capable coach in the traditional sense but someone who can tap into not only the insane amount of talent available in his back yard but cherry pick here and there nationally as well. This worries me greatly since if it's really true who we get as coach at whatever point Fulmer et al leave (and please PLEASE do not turn this into just another of the 5,472 threads bashing Fulmer, this is bigger than that) it might not even matter much. I mean, nevermind us, Cal/GA/LSU/TX and the whole country may have to face this. I've done some research, let me know what you think:

Going back the last four recruiting cycles I've compiled how many players several teams have taken in rated with at least 4 stars.

TN
Fulmer has always been touted, most say rightfully, as a strong recruiter. Over this time period we have brought in 48 4* players. One is, however, taken aback by the fact that only 10 (21%) are from TN. Rivals only bothers to list 25 players in the state and the last class ran out of 4* players at #10. I don't care who comes here that's a concern.

GA
The "other" big dog in the East that isn't FL. They also raked in 48 4* recruits but 28 of those (58%) were home grown. A clear advantage over us.

LSU
Some argue this is the best team in the country right now and maybe it is. They have brought in 58 4* or better recruits in the last 4 seasons with 31 being LA boys, or 53%.

FL/USC
I was amazed to discover that both FL and USC had not only recruited EXACTLY the same number of 4* or better players at 61(!!) but incredibly the same number of in-state players at 40. So these schools are not only bringing in crazy amounts of talent but 66% of that talent is in their back yard. Just to break the tie I looked up what the actual star value of the classes were over the time period and FL averaged 3.67 while USC averaged an simply absurd 4.05. That's right, USC's average recruit over the past four years is 4+ stars.

I hope I haven't bored you guys but I'm truly worried that Bear might finally be right. Is it possible all of us are wondering who our next coach might be and it might not even matter?
 
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This has been true for years. Hopefully pete's phone will be ringing soon with nfl dollars. Urban on the other hand might be around for awhile his style is suited for the college game.

Here is a thought florida is benefitting right now from miami and florida state being down. This won't always be the case. Those programs will be back.

I have no doubt that a well coached fundamentally sound team can play with florida. We are just not that team. LSU will show us all how you defend urban meyer.
 
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It isn't rocket science when you live in one of the most fertile recruiting grounds anywhere.
 
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This has been true for years. Hopefully pete's phone will be ringing soon with nfl dollars. Urban on the other hand might be around for awhile his style is suited for the college game.

Here is a thought florida is benefitting right now from miami and florida state being down. This won't always be the case. Those programs will be back.

I have no doubt that a well coached fundamentally sound team can play with florida. We are just not that team. LSU will show us all how you defend urban meyer.

What you say about FSU and Miami is certainly valid but if FL has become THE FL program now one wonders if Meyer is still not going to get first choice among Floridian players. And I will be a de facto Tigers fan for that FL game.
 
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USC will have great recruits no matter who the coach is. Who wouldn't want to go play in L.A. and get national attention.

I find it amazing that Hawaii doesn't have every top recruit in the country. That is the perfect place to lure a high school kid to.
 
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USC will have great recruits no matter who the coach is. Who wouldn't want to go play in L.A. and get national attention.

I find it amazing that Hawaii doesn't have every top recruit in the country. That is the perfect place to lure a high school kid to.
uhhh..the pre-Carroll era was pretty bare at USC
 
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USC will have great recruits no matter who the coach is. Who wouldn't want to go play in L.A. and get national attention.

I find it amazing that Hawaii doesn't have every top recruit in the country. That is the perfect place to lure a high school kid to.
I wondered that myself. I guess they might have high academic standards?
 
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uhhh..the pre-Carroll era was pretty bare at USC

I might be young and have no idea about the things in the earlier decades, but USC has produced many Heismans, and Championships. Including beating the 1939 Tennessee team that was undefeated and un-scored upon. So, they have been know to get some talent.
 
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I wondered that myself. I guess they might have high academic standards?

I don't know how many out-of-state players they have, but I think that they are encouraged to get in state players so they can charge any mainland person a small fortune for 1 year of education there.
 
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I might be young and have no idea about the things in the earlier decades, but USC has produced many Heismans, and Championships. Including beating the 1939 Tennessee team that was undefeated and un-scored upon. So, they have been know to get some talent.
I'm a bit confused by the train of thought here. Young with no idea of the pre-Carroll era, but reference the '39 Vols game vs. USC. Did I miss something or did you accidentally erase a large chunk before posting?
 
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I'm a bit confused by the train of thought here. Young with no idea of the pre-Carroll era, but reference the '39 Vols game vs. USC. Did I miss something or did you accidentally erase a large chunk before posting?

Well, I never really heard much about USC until ESPN started glorifing them, so I can't comment on the pre-Carrol era. However, I have heard many times about the '39 Vols team getting beat by USC. My first hand knowledge of football begins with the Peyton Manning era.
 
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I'm a bit confused by the train of thought here. Young with no idea of the pre-Carroll era, but reference the '39 Vols game vs. USC. Did I miss something or did you accidentally erase a large chunk before posting?
Pretty wide time gap isn't it.
 
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Well, I never really heard much about USC until ESPN started glorifing them, so I can't comment on the pre-Carrol era. However, I have heard many times about the '39 Vols team getting beat by USC. My first hand knowledge of football begins with the Peyton Manning era.
Well they went through several coaches and had Todd Marinovich
 
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Who cares if the Bammers have more fuel...they wont be beating UF anytime soon .

This is the last year anybody in the SEC has a shot at beating Florida.

its gonna be all Florida all the time for at least 5 more years
 
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Florida has definitley got a nice advantage because of where they are, but I don;t even think they have the best advantage in the SEC. That honor goes to LSU. Louisiana probably has the best talent per capita in the nation (Mississippi might argue with that). But Louisiana only has one BCS program and the closest thing to LSU is Tulane - and that is a huge dropoff. The talent in Louisiana can at the very least make a team competitive each year for the SEC title.
Also - as crazy as it sounds - I am still not convinced that the Meyer style of offense is going to be successful in the SEC. I want to see them play a good defense and see Tebow take some shots as well as some of their other players.
Still, Meyer is clearly a good coach (winning last year without the personnel for his style convinced me). I just don;t think Florida is entering some dynastic period.
 
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We'll find out alot about Florida when they play Aubrn in 2 weeks.

I know auburn has played like garbage but they'll get some shots on Tebow
 
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uhhh..the pre-Carroll era was pretty bare at USC

not true. even paul hackett had a #1 recruiting class at SC. remember Carrolls 03 NC team had many players that were brought in by hackett, particurally on defense. Carroll has clearly taken it to a new level, but there always has been talent. the've just massively underperformed. The truly amazing part is that it took SC 30 years to find someone who could actually coach.
 
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We'll find out alot about Florida when they play Aubrn in 2 weeks.

I know auburn has played like garbage but they'll get some shots on Tebow

Florida will destroy Tubby's squad by at least 3 touchdowns. They won't be tested until they pay a little visit to Tiger Stadium on October 6th.
 

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