Bearcat fans blame officiating on potential loss: (merged)

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Class of 85 said:
Dooley took his foot off the gas? The starters were still in the game and Bray was passing on the second-to-last-series. Taking your foot off the gas is removing the starters after one series in the third quarter (what UC did). Or playing the 3rd team defense most of the 4th quarter (which UC did Saturday), not leaving your starters in deep in the 4th quarter.

You seriously don't think that losing one or two of those fumbles doesn't significantly change the game? Think of the points you don't score at the very least. The UT play-by-play shows at least 14 points that come off the board, as two UT touchdown drives had multiple fumbles, including two fumbles in the Montana red zone. USF took a fumble back 96 yards for a score. What happens if Montana does that? Suddenly the score is 28-23 and it's a much different ballgame.

Will Bray and company have a field day against the UC defense? Montana got Bray for three sacks. Will UC's D-line do as well? If they do, the field day might be UC's, because their back seven is better than Montana's.

I guess we will see.
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Dooley took his foot off the gas in that he wasn't calling plays to run up the score. Once we got ahead it felt like he was using the game as just another practice, working on the running game and throwing the ball just to get first downs.
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#102
#102
MemphisVol1485 said:
Cincy has good players on offense. We definitely can't sleep on them. Pead, Binns and Collaros can all make plays in space. It is all about containing them on first and second down because their offense is all about getting the ball out quickly. Get them in 3rd and 6 or longer and they are not used to blocking for the qb long enough to get deeper into routes. That is where we should see our speed off the end play a factor.

Not trying to sound overconfident against their defense, but they don't have the talent in the backfield to contain Hunter and DaRick. They struggled keeping teams from scoring last year and we should be able to score 30+.
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Binns graduated. He was #1 receiver last year.
 
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UC is pumping a loop of crowd noise through the speakers at practice as we speak. I would go watch practice but I've got class.
 
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VolOnTheBayou said:
Dooley took his foot off the gas in that he wasn't calling plays to run up the score. Once we got ahead it felt like he was using the game as just another practice, working on the running game and throwing the ball just to get first downs.
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After the UT scored to go ahead 35-9, UT passed on first downs 6 of 8 times. UT went for a 4th and 3 on the Montana 33 on their first possession after the score became 35-9. The starters were in the game the whole game until the last series.

For UC, taking your foot off the gas is playing the 2s after halftime and the 3s for most of the 4th quarter. Our score got really ugly because the subs put up 30 points in the second half.

I guess we have different definitions of what constitutes taking your foot off the gas.
 
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UT could have thrown deep at will but decided to work on some things in the running game instead of putting up 70+ on a HS team

we could go the other way on Montana where you take away one blown coverage and one busted play fire drill and they score a total of 2pts.
 
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Class of 85 said:
I said you were lucky to put the ball on the ground six times and not lose any of them. Try actually reading the post.
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I read your post and know exactly what you were implying. Your are not the first "visitor" VolNation has had.

And as another poster pointed out, even though the starters were still in the game in the fourth it was mearly to get scrimmage time. Was Dooley still airing it out? No. Was he running the ball almost every play? Yes.

Since I'm sure you didn't pay the money for PPV or go to the game, don't just assume that because the starters were still playing that the Tennessee coaching staff was in any way worried about the outcome. They were using it as an opportunity to get some young players some real game time.
 
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#109
psax889906 said:
Greetings from a UC fan.

I'll admit that the first post of the three at the beginning of this thread was mine. But I noticed no one really commented on that one. Sad. The guy who made the last comment is NOT a highly respected poster on that UC site and he often makes outlandish and foolish comments just to stir things up and get a reaction so please don't take him seriously and as a reflection of our fanbase.
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I didnt really so those at separate posts but I see that now

I agree UT isn't Oklahoma but that is looking at the best game you guys played all last year - 2-5 in the big east might be the better indicator as opposed to the good game played against oklahoma

I grew up in Lville and so know a bit about cincy football and you know as good as I that outside of Brian Kelly there is nothing good about Cincy football - my guess is they slide right back toward that trend with him now gone
 
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SCvol333 said:
I didnt really so those at separate posts but I see that now

I agree UT isn't Oklahoma but that is looking at the best game you guys played all last year - 2-5 in the big east might be the better indicator as opposed to the good game played against oklahoma

I grew up in Lville and so know a bit about cincy football and you know as good as I that outside of Brian Kelly there is nothing good about Cincy football - my guess is they slide right back toward that trend with him now gone
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Frankly UC showed flashes in the Oklahoma game but it may not have been their best played game... they had several turnovers which were preventable. Offensively the best game they played was Rutgers, where they scored 69 points. Overall I'm not sure which game I would choose, because they simply didn't put together very many good, full four quarters worth of football last season.

And UC was on the upswing before Brian Kelly- which if you lived in Louisville and know a bit about Cincinnati Football, you would realize. It started with Rick Minter, was carried on by Mark Dantonio and then Brian Kelly. The program is headed in the right direction, regardless of one 4-8 season last year. The past decade + has been a very successful one over all.
 
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#112
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Sharriscgcs said:
I read your post and know exactly what you were implying. Your are not the first "visitor" VolNation has had.

And as another poster pointed out, even though the starters were still in the game in the fourth it was mearly to get scrimmage time. Was Dooley still airing it out? No. Was he running the ball almost every play? Yes.

Since I'm sure you didn't pay the money for PPV or go to the game, don't just assume that because the starters were still playing that the Tennessee coaching staff was in any way worried about the outcome. They were using it as an opportunity to get some young players some real game time.
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If you knew exactly what I was implying, why does your post say I thought UT was lucky to win? I never said that, or implied it. I said UT was lucky not to lose one or more of the six fumbles. If UT does, that makes the game much different. I never stated or implied that UT would lose the game.

If you don't want to accept that those potential turnovers would have changed the game, I suggest that you look at the box score of the Notre Dame-South Florida game from Saturday. ND outgained USF 2-1 and had eight drives into the USF red zone. They scored a total of 20 points. But they turned the ball over 5 times, including a fumble that USF returned 96 yards for a TD.

Fumbling 6 times without losing one is a statistical anomaly. I don't know what the percentage of lost fumbles is actually, but even if you assume it's half, then that's three lost fumbles. That's at least two TDs you don't score (there were two TD drives with 2 fumbles). That reduces the score to 28-16 there.

After the pick six that made the score 35-9, and prior to removing the starters on the 2nd-to-last-series, UT had 14 pass plays to 8 rushes (including a sack and the 2nd PI penalty).

That's not "running the ball almost every play."

Whether it was to get scrimmage time or score more points, coach Dooley was not taking the air out of the ball.
 
#113
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Sharriscgcs said:
I read your post and know exactly what you were implying. Your are not the first "visitor" VolNation has had.

And as another poster pointed out, even though the starters were still in the game in the fourth it was mearly to get scrimmage time. Was Dooley still airing it out? No. Was he running the ball almost every play? Yes.

Since I'm sure you didn't pay the money for PPV or go to the game, don't just assume that because the starters were still playing that the Tennessee coaching staff was in any way worried about the outcome. They were using it as an opportunity to get some young players some real game time.
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Your analysis is right-on. However, I do agree that we were very lucky to recover all those fumbles. The game wasn't ever in doubt in my mind but things could have been bad had we lost some or all of them. Clearly, we could have put up more scores. What better time for our coaches to test their running game and get more practice/experience to help prepare them for the rest of the season?
 
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Class of 85 said:
If you knew exactly what I was implying, why does your post say I thought UT was lucky to win? I never said that, or implied it. I said UT was lucky not to lose one or more of the six fumbles. If UT does, that makes the game much different. I never stated or implied that UT would lose the game.

If you don't want to accept that those potential turnovers would have changed the game, I suggest that you look at the box score of the Notre Dame-South Florida game from Saturday. ND outgained USF 2-1 and had eight drives into the USF red zone. They scored a total of 20 points. But they turned the ball over 5 times, including a fumble that USF returned 96 yards for a TD.

Fumbling 6 times without losing one is a statistical anomaly. I don't know what the percentage of lost fumbles is actually, but even if you assume it's half, then that's three lost fumbles. That's at least two TDs you don't score (there were two TD drives with 2 fumbles). That reduces the score to 28-16 there.

After the pick six that made the score 35-9, and prior to removing the starters on the 2nd-to-last-series, UT had 14 pass plays to 8 rushes (including a sack and the 2nd PI penalty).

That's not "running the ball almost every play."

Whether it was to get scrimmage time or score more points, coach Dooley was not taking the air out of the ball.
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Think what you want, but Dooley wasn't trying to blow them out. If that was the case he certainly wouldn't have sent Smith into the line with the box stuffed near the goal line. He wanted the team to get more real-time practice with the run game. If he wanted a blow-out he would have let Bray pick-em apart because it was there all day. Bray will probably be the next Peyton Manning; just watch as the season goes along. Dooley also doesn't want us to be one-dimensional and put it all on the QB.
 
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chuck0303 said:
Think what you want, but Dooley wasn't trying to blow them out. If that was the case he certainly wouldn't have sent Smith into the line with the box stuffed near the goal line. He wanted the team to get more real-time practice with the run game. If he wanted a blow-out he would have let Bray pick-em apart because it was there all day. Bray will probably be the next Peyton Manning; just watch as the season goes along. Dooley also doesn't want us to be one-dimensional and put it all on the QB.
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This explains run/pass percentage of 33%-67% after the score went to 35-9 how? Running Smith into the box at the one happened on the last possession, when Dooley finally lifted the starters. On the series before, Bray and Poole were in the game, and Bray was passing the ball.

As to Bray being the next Peyton Manning, that may be true. But UT fans have said that about quite a few other QBs since Peyton graduated, and it hasn't panned out yet. No surprise there; Peyton was a generational player.
 
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#117
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I'm so over the Bray is the next Manning thing...he may be a great player for us and have a great career, but he's done nothing for us to label him the next Manning...its easy to be all pumped after a game like last week with the stats he had, but temper the elite qb comparisons til he puts up good numbers in gainesville or loosa.
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#119
#119
we could have scored 80 on montania if we would have passed a little more....this game wont be close....trust the drunk guy ......lol
 
#120
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Class of 85 said:
If you knew exactly what I was implying, why does your post say I thought UT was lucky to win? I never said that, or implied it. I said UT was lucky not to lose one or more of the six fumbles. If UT does, that makes the game much different. I never stated or implied that UT would lose the game.

If you don't want to accept that those potential turnovers would have changed the game, I suggest that you look at the box score of the Notre Dame-South Florida game from Saturday. ND outgained USF 2-1 and had eight drives into the USF red zone. They scored a total of 20 points. But they turned the ball over 5 times, including a fumble that USF returned 96 yards for a TD.

Fumbling 6 times without losing one is a statistical anomaly. I don't know what the percentage of lost fumbles is actually, but even if you assume it's half, then that's three lost fumbles. That's at least two TDs you don't score (there were two TD drives with 2 fumbles). That reduces the score to 28-16 there.

After the pick six that made the score 35-9, and prior to removing the starters on the 2nd-to-last-series, UT had 14 pass plays to 8 rushes (including a sack and the 2nd PI penalty).

That's not "running the ball almost every play."

Whether it was to get scrimmage time or score more points, coach Dooley was not taking the air out of the ball.
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Why should we assume that those two fumbles are the ones lost? we could still lose 50% of the fumbles and not take a touchdown off the board. Also, as for all the fumbles, the weather had something to do with that.
 
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#122
Class of 85 said:
Dooley took his foot off the gas? The starters were still in the game and Bray was passing on the second-to-last-series. Taking your foot off the gas is removing the starters after one series in the third quarter (what UC did). Or playing the 3rd team defense most of the 4th quarter (which UC did Saturday), not leaving your starters in deep in the 4th quarter.

You seriously don't think that losing one or two of those fumbles doesn't significantly change the game? Think of the points you don't score at the very least. The UT play-by-play shows at least 14 points that come off the board, as two UT touchdown drives had multiple fumbles, including two fumbles in the Montana red zone. USF took a fumble back 96 yards for a score. What happens if Montana does that? Suddenly the score is 28-23 and it's a much different ballgame.

Will Bray and company have a field day against the UC defense? Montana got Bray for three sacks. Will UC's D-line do as well? If they do, the field day might be UC's, because their back seven is better than Montana's.

I guess we will see.
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Ummm,,not quite. And as for your Dline,,,,,pitiful. Montana's linebacking corp is one hell of a lot better than Cincy's. IMO.
 
#123
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Been saying for a while now that Cincy is a scary team...I think we will win so long as we limit the big plays and keep Collaros contained. Collaros is a better, faster version of Aarron Murray and he could kill us. Dooley will run the ball a lot to limit Collaros' touches and keep it a low scoring game.
 
#124
#124
Class of 85 said:
This explains run/pass percentage of 33%-67% after the score went to 35-9 how? Running Smith into the box at the one happened on the last possession, when Dooley finally lifted the starters. On the series before, Bray and Poole were in the game, and Bray was passing the ball.

As to Bray being the next Peyton Manning, that may be true. But UT fans have said that about quite a few other QBs since Peyton graduated, and it hasn't panned out yet. No surprise there; Peyton was a generational player.
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46 rushes, 25 passes. Quit, OK?
 
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